ADN program starting now vs my aspirations towards and MD or DO: What do you think I should do?

turtlesRcool · Nov 15, 2020

9 hours ago, MDBoy said:

I will say your comment is one of the reasons I am scared to get into nursing, I don't like being made fun of by people and would be unhappy if coworkers did that to me too often and it wasn't in good spirits. That's partly why I wanted to be a lone wolf...No offense, but its because of people like, well, you....

Best of luck. OK. Yea I can tell that's a heartfelt thing you mean too. Boy you are a class act. The passive aggressive hostility is just thick enough to cut in your post. Can I ask, what is it about me you find so reproachable? Do you think I am stupid and would not be able to do well?

We don't know you. All we know about you is what you write and how you write it. That's it.

When @cynical-RN commented on your need to write more carefully, your first response was fine. It acknowledged the merit of the criticism along with its sting, and explained you are capable of proficient formal writing. No problem, if you just left it there. But then your second response was defensive, self-pitying, and accusatory. Big red flags. No matter if you go the MD or RN route, you are going to be corrected, and will need to take constructive criticism with good grace (MDs are not inherently more nurturing than RNs in delivering said criticism, nor will you be a "lone wolf" in med school or residency).

As to your questions, we have no idea if you are "stupid" or "would not be able to do well." This is just a message board; all we know of you comes from what you write here. What I can tell you is that your posts read as both grandiloquent and full of technical errors. Recommending that you write coherently and concisely isn't "passive aggressive" or hostile. It's a poster taking time to suggest you write carefully when you ask for life advice from strangers through a written medium.

Guest856929 · Nov 15, 2020

4 minutes ago, turtlesRcool said:

We don't know you. All we know about you is what you write and how you write it. That's it.

When @cynical-RN commented on your need to write more carefully, your first response was fine. It acknowledged the merit of the criticism along with its sting, and explained you are capable of proficient formal writing. No problem, if you just left it there. But then your second response was defensive, self-pitying, and accusatory. Big red flags. No matter if you go the MD or RN route, you are going to be corrected, and will need to take constructive criticism with good grace (MDs are not inherently more nurturing than RNs in delivering said criticism, nor will you be a "lone wolf" in med school or residency).

As to your questions, we have no idea if you are "stupid" or "would not be able to do well." This is just a message board; all we know of you comes from what you write here. What I can tell you is that your posts read as both grandiloquent and full of technical errors. Recommending that you write coherently and concisely isn't "passive aggressive" or hostile. It's a poster taking time to suggest you write carefully when you ask for life advice from strangers through a written medium.

Thank you.

MDBoy · Nov 16, 2020

On 11/15/2020 at 12:33 AM, cynical-RN said:

Bro, I meant what I said. I wished you luck in kindness and good faith, but I understand your misunderstanding. If you cannot take positive criticism in reference to the mediocrity of your writing from a stranger, then I’m gonna wish you more luck in med school. You will be questioned. You will be given constructive criticism. Hopefully, you’ll develop better coping mechanisms.

Sorry I was so defensive. But let's just shake on it and agree no harm no foul and say good day? I appreciate your comment actually and your sentiment was 100%; I just thought it came with malice aforethought (which I clearly don't think is true tbh...)I can be aggressively prideful about my own estimation of my command of the English language in an obnoxious way...

On a side note, I likely not going to do Med school, and at least in the near term, I do not believe. I would rather do PA school in all honestly as it is a much shorter and direct entry into that very same which is the main reason I made this post was because I felt I would miss that facet that is brought into play by becoming a PA moreso than an NP. Trying to look for shadowing now, and doing GRE and starting work as CNA at Duke to get clinical experience asap.

Really, just wondering about what to do now...Do I even need to take Organic chem 1 & 2 and Physics and Biochem? I was planning to take the Mcat but if all I need is the GRE and several thousand hrs direct contact hrs with patients maybe I can just take a few remaining classes and apply as an RN with an associates of nursing and maybe a BA in Biology or something instead of having to wait until I'd finished my RN-BSN to even apply for PA school. I'd say I could be ready to apply to PA school and enter directly in about time it'll take me to finish my ADN and get a BA which I could do at NC state or something concurrently with nursing ADN. Any thoughts?

MDBoy · Nov 16, 2020

21 hours ago, turtlesRcool said:

We don't know you. All we know about you is what you write and how you write it. That's it.

When @cynical-RN commented on your need to write more carefully, your first response was fine. It acknowledged the merit of the criticism along with its sting, and explained you are capable of proficient formal writing. No problem, if you just left it there. But then your second response was defensive, self-pitying, and accusatory. Big red flags. No matter if you go the MD or RN route, you are going to be corrected, and will need to take constructive criticism with good grace (MDs are not inherently more nurturing than RNs in delivering said criticism, nor will you be a "lone wolf" in med school or residency).

As to your questions, we have no idea if you are "stupid" or "would not be able to do well." This is just a message board; all we know of you comes from what you write here. What I can tell you is that your posts read as both grandiloquent and full of technical errors. Recommending that you write coherently and concisely isn't "passive aggressive" or hostile. It's a poster taking time to suggest you write carefully when you ask for life advice from strangers through a written medium.

Thank you, I understand exactly what you both mean and appreciate you taking the time to let me know it. Really.

PlsDeleteAccountThankU · Nov 16, 2020

If you feel drawn to MD/DO go for it. You have a nice GPA and I can see you being successful in premed if you maintain it. Knock out remaining prerequisites, use CNA certification to get clinical experience. You mentioned EMT that's great experience too as is medical scribe. Do some volunteering/shadowing once COVID-19 situation is more under control, get good recommendations etc. There's a lot of prep that goes into medical school applications. If it doesn't work out you can always consider PA since they have similar prereqs or reconsider RN. Whatever you end up doing, put your all in it so you don't have regrets. Good luck.

MDBoy · Nov 18, 2020

Thank you Gwenny. That is very kind of you ?

allnurses Guide · Nov 19, 2020

If this is what you really want and can afford to do so then go for it. However I can see where people you know are coming from. You have made impulsive decisions in the past . You do not say where you are in your education but consider that it takes anywhere from 11 to 20 years to become a doctor depending on specialty. Many graduate with close to a million dollars in student loans.. At 32 you will be between 45 and 55 by the time you are ready to practice. Had I known what I do today I might not have gone onto nursing and I love nursing. My original plan was to become a cowboy but not a lot of money or job flexability in that.

Another question I have is how to you support yourself now and how will you support youself when the rigors of med school making being employed difficult?

Because it would be a shame to start this and change your mind partway through I would suggest that you meet with some career counselr's and finacial planners to see if this is even doable. A friend of mine went in to medicine after a stint in the armed forces where he served as a combat medic and got almost all of his tuition paid for by the United States Government.

I think before you embark on this path you need to look at several factors the biggest of which is your impulsivity. You not just talking about the "Cool stuff" like working with cadaver's which you can do as mortician and not worry about malpractice insurance. You also need to look at the finacial aspect and time and sacrifice involved.

If after you weigh all these factors and you feel it's still something you really want to do - Then go for it and don't worry about the nay-sayers.

Hppy

allnurses Guide · Nov 19, 2020

On 11/15/2020 at 7:43 AM, turtlesRcool said:

No matter if you go the MD or RN route, you are going to be corrected, and will need to take constructive criticism with good grace (MDs are not inherently more nurturing than RNs in delivering said criticism, nor will you be a "lone wolf" in med school or residency).

So true. OP I wish you the best as as I have said if you are truely prepared for all that becoming a physician entails go for it, but remember part of any learning process is to have your work and effort, repeatedly inspected, challanged and criticized. There are times you will feel humiliated and other times you will feel vindicated. We are just strangers on a forum, we do not know you - the fact that people who do know you are saying this may be an impulsive decision says a lot.

Hppy

allnurses Guide · Nov 19, 2020

On 11/16/2020 at 5:03 AM, MDBoy said:

Really, just wondering about what to do now...Do I even need to take Organic chem 1 & 2 and Physics and Biochem?

No matter what route you take (RN, NP. PA, MD) you will likely need to take these classes and starting at a later age (32) as I did (38) there's no time like the present with those classes. Nursing is my 2nd (well actually third or 4th) career start so I know all about making impulsive decisions that I have regretted in my youth. You might also enjoy becoming a paramedic? Nothing is wasted by taking these classes and might even guide you in different directions in research or other sciences.

I have some other suggestions/thoughts you might not want aired on a public forum but would invite you to PM me if you so desire.

Hppy

Guest856929 · Nov 19, 2020

On 11/16/2020 at 7:03 AM, MDBoy said:

Sorry I was so defensive. But let's just shake on it and agree no harm no foul and say good day? I appreciate your comment actually and your sentiment was 100%; I just thought it came with malice aforethought (which I clearly don't think is true tbh...)I can be aggressively prideful about my own estimation of my command of the English language in an obnoxious way...

On a side note, I likely not going to do Med school, and at least in the near term, I do not believe. I would rather do PA school in all honestly as it is a much shorter and direct entry into that very same which is the main reason I made this post was because I felt I would miss that facet that is brought into play by becoming a PA moreso than an NP. Trying to look for shadowing now, and doing GRE and starting work as CNA at Duke to get clinical experience asap.

Really, just wondering about what to do now...Do I even need to take Organic chem 1 & 2 and Physics and Biochem? I was planning to take the Mcat but if all I need is the GRE and several thousand hrs direct contact hrs with patients maybe I can just take a few remaining classes and apply as an RN with an associates of nursing and maybe a BA in Biology or something instead of having to wait until I'd finished my RN-BSN to even apply for PA school. I'd say I could be ready to apply to PA school and enter directly in about time it'll take me to finish my ADN and get a BA which I could do at NC state or something concurrently with nursing ADN. Any thoughts?

If you are thinking about grad school, I would say that you certainly have to take general Chemistry, organic chem, physics, biochem, and upper level stats. I had to and it made me competitive and the knowledge is actually beneficial. Never regretted it. Like I said on my initial post, it is about adequate preparation and maximum effort, with some luck sprinkled in there. Again, I wish you all the best.

RiverRat788 · Nov 20, 2020

On 11/16/2020 at 8:03 AM, MDBoy said:

o even apply for PA school. I'd say I could be ready to apply to PA school

PA school is even more difficult to get into than medical school.

Guest856929 · Nov 20, 2020

1 hour ago, RiverRat788 said:

PA school is even more difficult to get into than medical school.

Difficulty as far as requirements or probability of getting in given that there are less PA schools than med schools?