Acute COVID, What We're Seeing

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COVID-19 has been in my area long enough that we're getting an idea of how it plays out, curious what others are seeing.

The most surprising thing has been the duration of acute illness, I sort of figured it would be like other respiratory viruses just more severe, but with acute symptoms lasting up to 7 days or so.

We've seen timelines similar to what China was reporting; about 10 days from symptom onset to needing ICU care, then critically ill for weeks, the shortest recovery we've seen is 3 weeks of aggressive life support. Time from symptoms onset to death has ranged from 2 to 8 weeks in China. So it's not just the number of patients that will require vents and other equipment, it's the length of time they will need them for.

The first week or so on the vent is similar to a bad influenza; lots of vent support, maybe proning, maybe flolan, not typically requiring inotropes or vasopressors, then they seem to have turned the corner and are out of the woods.

Then they crump, big time. From nothing to max pressors and inotropes and an EF that drops from normal to 10-15% in as little as 12 hours. Sudden onset renal and liver failure, with impressively severe liver failure in such a short amount of time.

Deaths appear more cardiogenic than respiratory, lethal rhythms have varied the full gamut; VT, VF, PEA, and asystole.

We've had enough ventilators so far, but what likely lies ahead will be the need to figure out a process for taking ventilators and other life support equipment away from patients less likely to survive to make them available to patients more likely to survive. Things seem dicey now, but that's a whole 'nuther level of dicey.

Specializes in Acute care.
17 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

We've weaned a few from vents, the shortest time on the vent I think has been just under 3 weeks. I should warn this isn't necessarily a scientific observation, but the ones that seem to have improved the quickest have been those able to get Remdesivir.

MunoRN, have you seen any patients started on hydroxychloroquine/Plaqenil? Does it seem to be helping?

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Why am I seeing videos of doctors and nurses walking all over their units with PPE and gloves on? Is it the dire shortage? I see them touching door handles, etc with their gloves. Also, I see them walking outside the hospital wearing PPE. I would hope it's clean!?!

Specializes in Critical Care.
13 minutes ago, SleepyRN said:

MunoRN, have you seen any patients started on hydroxychloroquine/Plaqenil? Does it seem to be helping?

That's been sort of back and forth, there's been an ongoing debate based on supply, evidence, limit it to a clinical trial? etc. I wouldn't say the effect has seemed as apparent as with Remdesivir, although that might also just be seeing something that isn't actually there.

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Specializes in Critical Care.
16 minutes ago, 2BS Nurse said:

Why am I seeing videos of doctors and nurses walking all over their units with PPE and gloves on? Is it the dire shortage? I see them touching door handles, etc with their gloves. Also, I see them walking outside the hospital wearing PPE. I would hope it's clean!?!

A COVID unit is basically one big isolation room.

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Specializes in infusion.
On 3/26/2020 at 1:20 PM, 2BS Nurse said:

We've seen timelines similar to what China was reporting; about 10 days from symptom onset to needing ICU care, then critically ill for weeks, the shortest recovery we've seen is 3 weeks of aggressive life support. Time from symptoms onset to death has ranged from 2 to 8 weeks in China. So it's not just the number of patients that will require vents and other equipment, it's the length of time they will need them for.

This explains the discrepancy between infected, deaths and recovered. Many are still on life support then.

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Specializes in Private Duty Pediatrics.

I'm confused. Do we or do we not have enough vents?

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Specializes in ICU.
On 3/19/2020 at 3:29 PM, MunoRN said:

Some we use as runners, we've ripped the white boards off the walls and use them as shopping lists when we're in the room, we write what we need on the board and face it towards the window into the hallway, as the runners (spare non-ICU nurses) come around they get what's on our ...shopping list

Brilliant idea. you can leave it propped up at the window and go about your business in the room.

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On 3/19/2020 at 2:29 PM, MunoRN said:

There's been plenty to delegate to non-critical care staff, who take to even the ICU-specific care pretty quickly. One thing about all nurses is that they can often just figure things out even without the official training.

Some we use as runners, we've ripped the white boards off the walls and use them as shopping lists when we're in the room, we write what we need on the board and face it towards the window into the hallway, as the runners (spare non-ICU nurses) come around they get what's on the lists and leave it in a bin outside the door.

What's probably been a bigger issue is the lack of intensivists, so all of our anesthesiologists have been emergently credentialed as intensivists.

Are you using outpatient trained RNs yet? No inpatient experience?

Specializes in Critical Care.
8 hours ago, 2BS Nurse said:

Are you using outpatient trained RNs yet? No inpatient experience?

We're utilizing RN and other staff of all backgrounds, some of it's more of 'busy-work', but there's plenty of things that need done. Our outpatient clinic and procedural staff are given the choice of staying out and using PTO as low census, or we can find things to keep them busy.

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I wonder if this virus is a superantigen? That would explain why some people are asymptomatic and others have a bad reaction.

I was right...

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176783/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-china-treatment-cytokine-storm-syndrome

I remembered this from Microbiology. They should be able to find a solution to this even if they need to partially suppress the immune system.

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Specializes in Telemetry.
On 3/19/2020 at 4:38 AM, pixierose said:

Kitiger - thank you for the notes, so much appreciated. Lisinopril and hypertension ... 5 microns ... this is a scary virus.

MunoRN - thanks for documenting your experiences. We’ve gotten them ready to go to the floors, so it’s fascinating to see what you guys do when these pts get there. We’ve been sending them to both ICUs and med surg floors - the teamwork between everyone in the hospital has been amazing.

I took care of a patient for three days in a telemetry setting. He was hospitalized about 7 days after symptom onset. He was started on oral hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin the day his test came back positive on day 3 of hospitalization. CRP was over 600 and lactate dehydrogenase was over 300. He was on 2 L oxygen via nasal cannula and chest X-ray looked horrible. But he was still wallow talkie. I continued administering the two medications the next two days as ordered. On day five of hospitalization CRP, and LDH were rechecked as well as chest X-ray. CRP was about 300 and LDH around 150, now on room air and chest X-ray stayed the same. I have had the last two days off and wonder what happened to him. The pulm told the attending and I cytokine release and respiratory collapse could be expected on day five which was the last day I had him. Maybe he was a lucky one!

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