Abusive and Cruel Clinical Instructors: Why??

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Forgive me, but I've noticed on these boards when a student is afraid of a overly harsh clinical instructor, there seems to be a running theme: angry clinical instructors that embarrass students, intimidate them, and make them afraid of them are the clinical instructors you want, because they make you work hard?

Huh?

This is grossly incorrect, in my humble opinion. I had a clinical instructor who picked on only me in a class of eight people. She would actually chart for other students, was kind to them. When it came to me, she embarrassed me in front of patients, their families, and other staff. She talked down to me, she consistently made me feel that I was not going to be a good nurse.

Absolutely EVERYTHING I did was wrong, and nothing I did was right. Even when there were no mistakes on my charting, she made it a point NOT to tell me how well I was doing, yet did it with other students.

It had a horrible effect on me: I lost 25 pounds, I was stressed out beyond belief. I was not sleeping, and it took a toll on other classes I was taking. I am an A student, and I began to get grades that were below that. It was then that I took control of my life.

I realized that when there is a person, instructor, boss, manager, who you can NEVER, EVER PLEASE, despite how hard you work, and how correct your work may be, there may be a personality disorder there, and you may need to simply talk to other faculty who may be able to talk to the instructor. You may just need to realize that IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S THEM. And that's ok. It's ok to realize that you are doing your best, and there are people who you cannot please. But lateral violence, nurses being mean and cruel to each other, and younger nurses accepting this attitude and even praising it is baffling to me.

This harshness and uncaring attitude that some clinical instructors show to students is what fuels lateral violence in the nursing profession, and it makes being a nurse more about personality conflicts than taking care of patients. In nursing school, I have seen more times than I care to remember other nurses who are mean and cruel to new nurses, or me as a nursing student. I don't cower in a corner like many nursing students, I stand up to nurses like that, and demand to be treated with respect.

I can understand that nursing students may be afraid to cross these clinical instructors, but what kind of nurse will you be, and how can you advocate for patients, if you cannot advocate for yourself? You need courage to be a nurse, and it seems that the message on many boards is: "do what you can with mean clinical instructors, be silent, accept the abuse, and move on". This just seems strange to me since as nurses, we need to be strong for our patients.

There is a nursing shortage going on, and we don't need students dropping out of programs because they have clinical instructors stuck in the past who think it's acceptable to embarrass and intimidate students and create a hostile class environment. It's unnecessary, and we as nurses need to acknowledge it.

I think it's high time that abusive instructors and nurses who practice lateral violence to other nurses and CNA's realize just how they are making this nursing shortage worse, by discouraging bright and talented nurses who don't need the cruelty. For those of you who are reading this who practice this behavior and you know who you are: Stop It.

And we wonder why so many nurses leave the profession.

I have a doctorate in another field that at this point I would love to go back to. I feel like a naive smuck. I have had lots of different teachers. My program was multidisciplinary and I took a full semester that was the same as the medical students and a full semster same as the dental students as well as other department. So I am very familiar with profs that are hard, cranky, eccentric, highly competitive, mentally ill. estly, I can handle difficult but no interest in being emotionally abused.

The way the nursing depts are different is that in other depts this abusive type of behavior by an instructor is looked down on and tolerated mainly because a person has tenure or is bringing in lots of grant money. If the person is kept on they tend to try to keep this person from doing major damage ot the students and in fact usually try to get rid of the person.

Nurses are also different as that this type of behavior is looked on as ok and a rite of passage by many. And of course I see especially the "seasoned nurses" talking about younger ones just "not being able to handle it". I got news for you. What you are "handling" is emotional abuse that you have been taught to tolerate. All of you out there tolerating this abuse are like crabs in a barrel trying to pull down everyone else that does not want to tolerate it. Yesterday I heard a student at the local high school was being arreste for punching a teacher. I have seen/heard one two many times that this is just something that happens if you are a nurse and you have to buck it up.

I had high hopes for this professional change and combining it with what I already have but am just about to throw in the towel and declare it a lost cause. Not because there are not good people out there in this field. But because as a majorly codependent person who has worked hard for my recovery and never wants to be in an abusive relationship again I am very attuned to emotional abuse and that what you all are describing here over and over and over.

I do not wish to be trained to take it again or as I hear it put here. On this site I almost laugh when I see the very smug "some people just arent cut out for nursing" in the context that the person that is writing this is somehow superior.

The main problem with nursing is nurses no matter how you cut it. People that need to be martyrs generally have ver low self esteem and I believe nursing attracts people with low self esteem in droves. This is also the reason so many are so mean to each other, people with low self esteem try to get pumped up from outside sources and the best way to do that is by putting another person down.

By the way I had a dream of being a nurse when I was young that I went out and pursued as an older person. I have seen here people saying that there is an idea that once someone is no longer codependent they no longer want to be a nurse. Maybe that is me.

I am pretty much at the point where I am just going to pay off my loans. Once that is over I will og to work every day with a smile on my face even if I am shovelin' poo knowing that my daily interactions will not be spent with a bunch of mean nurses who hate themselves and want to take it out on me cause I dont.

I know lots of you are wonderful people and I am sorry you are having to train yourselves to be treated ike nothing just to keep a job. I unfortunately have joined your ranks but hope my sentence will not be too long.

If you knew me in person you would know that I love people and have always tried to help in any way I can and will continue to do so. Perhaps just not in a field where I have to feel selfish for taking care of myself.

I'm so sorry you've had such a terrible experience! I guess I just want you to know it's not like that everywhere....my instructors (both theory and clinical) couldn't be more supportive...really, they're just fantastic! I'm in a second career and I was worried about the attititude you're talking about. I just wouldn't put up with it very well, it's just not in me. I'm in my 2nd of 3 years and even back in orientation, they told us that they chose us for the program because they thought that we have what it takes to be nurses...and that their job is to help us get there. Really, that's been the attitude for the whole program.

Corrections in clinical are made privately and kindly....really looking for how to correct the problem without you feeling like an idiot. One of our prof's was even talking about our assignments this term, and she was saying that she's always a bit nervous at the start of the term, because what if we don't like the assignments....I don't think I've ever had an instructor care if I LIKED the assignments.

Taking care of ourselves through the nursing program is actually part of our competencies...so there's not just lip service given to it...we're required to find ways to make sure we're taking care of ourselves. It's part of our clinical grading rubric (which is not pass/fail...it's half of our grade for the term, the other half being our lecture exam grades and papers). We even had a psychiatrist come and speak with the class about self-care during one of our clinical orientations, his practice specialty?....treating burn-out health care professionals.

Our nurses that we work with in clinical have been welcoming and patient as well (even with my sometimes gazillion questions!). They're so encouraging and cut me a lot more slack than I cut myself, that's for sure.

Of course none of this means that they're not tough graders....but never unfairly so, they just expect a lot of us, and so far the overwhelming majority of us have more than risen to meet the challenge.

So, I'm sooooooo sorry you're in such a toxic environment....but I really want you to know that the profession is NOT ALL like that.

Peace,

Cathie

BTW, instructors from hell exist in all sorts of programs, even at the graduate level. I am sorry about the horrible experiences many of the posters on this thread have had but it does help me to realize that I wasn't the only one to which something like this happened. Yeah, I had it happen to me as a student, too, and it is NOT a pleasant experience. Please feel free to PM me if you ever need a shoulder.

I have a doctorate in another field that at this point I would love to go back to. I feel like a naive smuck. I have had lots of different teachers. My program was multidisciplinary and I took a full semester that was the same as the medical students and a full semster same as the dental students as well as other department. So I am very familiar with profs that are hard, cranky, eccentric, highly competitive, mentally ill. estly, I can handle difficult but no interest in being emotionally abused.

The way the nursing depts are different is that in other depts this abusive type of behavior by an instructor is looked down on and tolerated mainly because a person has tenure or is bringing in lots of grant money. If the person is kept on they tend to try to keep this person from doing major damage ot the students and in fact usually try to get rid of the person.

Nurses are also different as that this type of behavior is looked on as ok and a rite of passage by many. And of course I see especially the "seasoned nurses" talking about younger ones just "not being able to handle it". I got news for you. What you are "handling" is emotional abuse that you have been taught to tolerate. All of you out there tolerating this abuse are like crabs in a barrel trying to pull down everyone else that does not want to tolerate it. Yesterday I heard a student at the local high school was being arreste for punching a teacher. I have seen/heard one two many times that this is just something that happens if you are a nurse and you have to buck it up.

I had high hopes for this professional change and combining it with what I already have but am just about to throw in the towel and declare it a lost cause. Not because there are not good people out there in this field. But because as a majorly codependent person who has worked hard for my recovery and never wants to be in an abusive relationship again I am very attuned to emotional abuse and that what you all are describing here over and over and over.

I do not wish to be trained to take it again or as I hear it put here. On this site I almost laugh when I see the very smug "some people just arent cut out for nursing" in the context that the person that is writing this is somehow superior.

The main problem with nursing is nurses no matter how you cut it. People that need to be martyrs generally have ver low self esteem and I believe nursing attracts people with low self esteem in droves. This is also the reason so many are so mean to each other, people with low self esteem try to get pumped up from outside sources and the best way to do that is by putting another person down.

By the way I had a dream of being a nurse when I was young that I went out and pursued as an older person. I have seen here people saying that there is an idea that once someone is no longer codependent they no longer want to be a nurse. Maybe that is me.

I am pretty much at the point where I am just going to pay off my loans. Once that is over I will og to work every day with a smile on my face even if I am shovelin' poo knowing that my daily interactions will not be spent with a bunch of mean nurses who hate themselves and want to take it out on me cause I dont.

I know lots of you are wonderful people and I am sorry you are having to train yourselves to be treated ike nothing just to keep a job. I unfortunately have joined your ranks but hope my sentence will not be too long.

If you knew me in person you would know that I love people and have always tried to help in any way I can and will continue to do so. Perhaps just not in a field where I have to feel selfish for taking care of myself.

misplaced1- I wish I could give you a STANDING OVATION FOR THIS!! I could have not said it any more perfectly!!

Specializes in VA-BC, CRNI.

I thank every single one of my mean, hardcore, abusive, and angry professors every single day I work.

Nursing school is like boot camp, you "sweat today so that you don't bleed tomorrow."

They gave me the single greatest tool I could have ever received, how to think and act quickly in extreme stress.

Yeah your Prof are ******** now but what do you do when the patient is screaming for help, the family is yelling at you, your charge nurse is barking orders, the Doc is breathing down your neck an two different patients are circling the drain??? Trust me the floor is far more abusive and cruel than school ever was.

Today grades are on the line, tomorrow life and limb.

Nursing is not like other professions, lives are literally on the line in a very real fashion.

If caring were enough then everyone would be a Nurse. We are not paid to care, we are paid to deal with stress and ********.

Thanks for giving hope that their are good instructors out there. I'm at the end of a rotation and my CI suddenly decides to tell us that we all are preforming below what she thinks we should be. She believes we are missing things that we should know by now, but for the most part can't say what, she says we "hesitate". It's very hard to understand what that means, we all are eager to learn and many things we haven't had much practice because this is the beginning of our second year. I received a stellar review for midterm and just a month later I'm told I'm not getting it? Another strange thing was we have this thing called team leader......We are to go around and help out the others with whatever and review things with them, I was held responsible for one girl who was missing a pill when she was scanning her meds in the MED ROOM with the instructor before she gave them, is this usual for students to be written up for the mistake of another? I was never informed that this was going to be on me or I would have counted her meds myself. very discouraged at this point by her inablitiy to examine her own lack of being through and explaining what she expected of us in the beginning

Specializes in Med Surg.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one in this situation.

We had this bizarre, I would describe it as hazing, situation happen last week at school. We had a lab check with the senior LPN class running the checkoffs. After everything was done, the instructors brought in the senior class where we were berated by both the instructors and the students. Words can't describe how uncomfortable and inappropriate this was.

Instead of pulling the students aside who didn't do well, who didn't take this lab seriously, they nastily accused us all of being unprofessional, of being bad students. I was left feeling very angry.

I was angry and confused. What was the whole point of this? If I wasn't performing up to par, let me know--I need to know. This group punishment approach isn't an appropriate way to teach or to lead.

It's hard to explain, but the bottom line is, I lost respect for my instructors and the senior class. Maybe this sort of hazing works for kids, but I'm an adult capable of adult interactions. I'm just ready to get this semester over with; hopefully I can make it through without saying something I'll regret.

Good idea to just lay low and don't put your self in the line of fire by saying something you will regret. I have no idea why these things happen, but I do know that school doesn't last forever and when it's over you will have a choice weather you stay in an abusive environment or leave. I haven't experienced this kind of treatment in the hospital setting in 6 years I've worked in one. Bottom line is that most of theses people are immature and have a self esteem problem. They let the power they think they have over you go to their heads and many of them don't have what it takes to see the potential in others just the flaws or shall we say inexperience that needs nurture not spiritual destruction. Keep in mind why you came to this place and your calling in prospective, I really believe that you can turn this experience into something to your advantage, when you see this kind of behavior from people you don't expect it from you will say to your self "I've seen this before and I can handle it without it affecting me or messing up my day. I just wish that theses bullies would remember where they came from, but they just act like they have all been perfect with out a mistake. Mistakes now that are corrected mean less latter. You will overcome don't give into the pressure.

Specializes in Gerontology, nursing education.
We had this bizarre, I would describe it as hazing, situation happen last week at school. We had a lab check with the senior LPN class running the checkoffs. After everything was done, the instructors brought in the senior class where we were berated by both the instructors and the students. Words can't describe how uncomfortable and inappropriate this was.

Instead of pulling the students aside who didn't do well, who didn't take this lab seriously, they nastily accused us all of being unprofessional, of being bad students. I was left feeling very angry.

I was angry and confused. What was the whole point of this? If I wasn't performing up to par, let me know--I need to know. This group punishment approach isn't an appropriate way to teach or to lead.

Frankly, I shudder to think about the lesson this taught your senior practical nursing class about how to appropriately supervise. If any of them try to come down hard on experienced nursing assistants or other nurses in practice settings, they will immediately lose credibility and cause serious damage to any chance of working with other members of a health care team. They will discover quickly that there are few things that irk experienced staff than a know-it-all attitude from a new graduate---yet it seems that your instructors are encouraging aggressiveness and discouraging real leadership.

While indeed all nurses are expected to mentor new staff and to be able to conduct peer evaluations, it appears that in your school, students are taught to bully rather than to objectively evaluate. I also agree that group punishment is an ineffective excuse for learning. Intimidation impedes learning and I cannot see how something as brutal as you describe would be in any way useful for helping students remember how to perform certain skills.

It's hard to explain, but the bottom line is, I lost respect for my instructors and the senior class. Maybe this sort of hazing works for kids, but I'm an adult capable of adult interactions. I'm just ready to get this semester over with; hopefully I can make it through without saying something I'll regret.

I worry also that for some of your classmates, this cycle will simply be perpetuated. Next year, will they also haze the newer students? I know from experience that nursing can be a "tough" profession but there is no excuse for hazing students or encouraging horizontal hostility. I hope you are able to get through this and go on to a successful, fulfilling career.

They are insecure and can only feel better by making others miserable.....how sad.

In my school you can NEVER EVER challenge a professor and have a smooth sail onward. One thing i've noticed is that the faculty will always support their own before they support the students. In other words you cannot challenge a professors' competency and expect the faculty to take sides with you, the student. IT''S UNHEARD OF. I've had so many horror stories in my school, it's ridiculous. There was a student that was picked on so much by a clinical instructor. The instructor would go as far as asking the other students to challenge her competency and how unfit she was to be a nursing student. One day, during our clinical rotation, the professor (who was obviously having a bad day) kept criticizing the student and embarassing her. The student looked the professor in the eye and said..."you have always wanted me to fail and no matter what i do, i will never be a good student in your eyes. and for that i quit"....The student walked out of the hospital that day and that was the end of her goals and dreams as a nurse. She never came back to nursing school and chose a different career path.

There was another student who reported a professor to the faculty board and not only did she fail the class, she was unable to graduate with everyone else and while all her classmates her becoming licensed nurses and working, she's forced to wait out a whole semester and take the class over again with her juniors.

In my school people fail in clinicals, not class, not exams, CLINICALS.

Sometimes the issue lies with the students, but sometimes, the issue lies with the clinical instructor and that's the sad part

If an instructor treated me rudely and would not teach me, I would not even show her the respect of talking with her. I would just go right to her higher up. Honestly how can you approach someone who is unapproachable? My clinical instructor can sometime be a tad rude but she is hard in a good way and seems to recognize when she is too harsh and changes her actions. She told me one I needed to stop being so niave in the field but then related how she used to be the same way so that showed how she meant well by it.

My friend has a horrible instructor though. She is a young MSN who thinks she knows it all and is more intrested in pointing out how little you know rather then teaching. I straight up avoid her in open lab because she sucks as a teacher and I would not be afraid to report that. I know nursing school is hard but I am paying for these classes and I expect some level of instruction. Anyways, a bunch of people have reported this instructor for her lack of teaching skills and I believe this is her last semester teaching. So report the bad instructors... I know I will

Specializes in mental health.

Students need to proactively organize and deal with things like this when they come up. A committee to review complaints by fellow students and write them up if justified and an elected representative to take the complaints to the department head or beyond. Do it before there is a problem and seek recognition from the faculty. It's valuable self education that will serve in the real world.

I had a miserable experience with my first clinical instructor at the beginning of my nursing school first semester. I complained about her and tried to make some sense out of why I was being singled out and bullied. I had gone to my advisor and the head of the nursing dept. I didn't get anywhere. I was forced by this instructor to withdraw from the program with a W or face an F from her at the mid-term of this first semester.

I was blindsided by this experience because I had never been psychologically tortured by a professor before. I had earned a Bachelor's and a Master's, previously. It was a very strange experience and has turned me off towards the profession.

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