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Does anyone else out there think that Nurses get jacked around often. I do as I am on my second career as a Nurse. I only have six years experience. I left my 100K job m-f 50-55 hours a week as a trucker for Americas largest parcel company, to become a Nurse. Yes a high school diploma got me a 401K, pension, health insurance that I did not pay a dime for, 6 weeks vacation, paid holidays, weekends off, and retirement of 3K per month with 30 years of service, I would have been 51 years old and a millionaire with the profit sharing and stocks given to me. But as I saw it I could help people, and if I followed this dream of Nursing I would be rewarded, so I thought. Now reality sets in I probably won't retire until 65, I buy my crappy health insurance and my pay is 80k per year working 60 plus hours a week. Did I mention all that and a BSN which costs 30K. HMM, did I make the right decision? Well maybe because I slightly more enjoy Nursing over trucking. But most Nurses think 80 K is good money! I beg to differ if you really knew what most educated and uneducated HARD working people really make. I think that the reason Nurses get jacked around is because they do not stand up together. In my past career it was male dominated. When someone or something was not right people stood together and it worked. In this female dominated profession I have found back stabbing, and people out for themselves. Why is it that an NP makes substantially less than a CRNA. I have not looked at the numbers but seems their are a high number of male CRNA's.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

Your perspective is real to you, and I respect that. However, I fail to see how it is uniquely male. A LOT of people share your pain and complaints.

Specializes in Informatics / Trauma / Hospice / Immunology.

Have you thought of travel nursing or being a medical device rep? Seems like you would almost double your salary, get out of your low benefit situation, and leave the back stabbers behind. Plus you would be back out in the road. Am I missing anything? I am a new grad but I see massive numbers of opportunities that just require 1-2 years of nursing experience. You have six? Shouldn't you be able to write your own ticket by now? I'm honestly asking because I'm brand new and curious.

Where do you people make these kinds of figures??? I Just double checked my 2013 tax returns after reading the crazy high salaries on this thread. I GROSSED $45,239 working full time. GROSS!

The shift diff here is $1/hr, charge nursing is only like $0.75; they would rather understaff us (in an ICU) than pay overtime or call in staffing resource nurses; they got rid of the weekender pay bonus and we only received a %1.5 raise this year. And I will say where I work because I am not afraid to mention like so many nurses are, I work for Cleveland Clinic, the number 4 hospital system in the nation....

Where are you high rollers so I can jump ship!

Specializes in Critical care.

^^^Your employer is able to pay you lower because of it's reputation and what that means to job seekers, along with the lower pay of the general geographic area. The top paying area according to the following US NEWS article was San Jose at $122k/yr. >Registered Nurse Salary Information | Best Jobs | US News Careers.

I know this is why, but that doesn't make it right. Nurses make up the bulk of a healthcare workforce. Angry underappreciated/overworked nurses make for poor patient care = low patient satisfaction = HCAPS drop and so does reimbursement. I just feel like that is where we are heading.

The other issue is the dropping large sums of money on flatscreen TVs for patient rooms in my critical care area where most patients are too sick to watch TV, a pointless cafeteria overhaul, etc.

Specializes in ICU.

I don't think the amount of education you have has all that much to do with it. There are tons of jobs where people with NO college make a lot more than I do. My boyfriend has no college degree; he makes more per hour than I do in construction. My veterinarian had to close his practice and went to work for another vet because he wasn't making enough money to keep it going. I know lots of attorneys who make less than I do, and they went to law school. College grads of all fields either can't find work, or they end up working at crappy minimum wage jobs. I am saying this because of the comment about how much nurses make with "only a 2 year degree." I personally think a lot of it has to do with this being a traditionally female-dominated field. I also say that people who make money for the company are usually paid more than people who COST the company money.

Specializes in Anesthesia, ICU, PCU.

We're talking the Brotherhood of Teamsters in trucking VS a spottily unionized profession in nursing. That's the difference right there. Need I say more?

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.
Because CRNAs could kill someone instantly if they made a mistake? The level of liability and education needed is arguably much higher than that of an NP. NPs are facing a glut in the market with everyone and their sibling taking NP classes online at these University of Phoenix-type schools while CRNA schools are much more competitve and selective. There is no such thing as a grad-entry CRNA program and experience, experience, experience is required to even get through the application process. NPs? You could have a bachelor's degree in Arts and become an NP without ever touching a patient at the bedside (scary though). CRNA? That would not apply.

As someone else said, surgery is almost always reimbursed at higher rates, but also CRNA schools have higher standards and less saturation. It has nothing to do with gender/sex differences.

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I'm not going to make anywhere near $75K when I graduate with my ADN here in the Midwest. I'd love to see anything close to that!

Considering the disadvantages of monetary expenses and a longer education, do you think specializing in a certain field is more beneficial than becoming a general RN? What made you nurses decide whether to continue your education, or stop?

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Where are you high rollers so I can jump ship!
Speaking for myself, I am in Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas.

The last time I grossed $45,000 was tax year 2007, back when I was an LVN working at a local nursing home. The least I've grossed as an RN was $72,000 in 2010.

Money is not always a goal but it's being successful and happy with what you are doing! Kudos to you! :)

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