Is WGU just another money muncher? - page 2
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I am (was) due to begin the RN-MSN, edu on 5-1. I have jumped threw all the hoops that is the admissions process. I am so disappointed to find out that the only classes I got credit for with my associates degree are one math,... Read More
- 0Apr 16, '13 by msa9179I have to chime in here and add another thought. I already have a bachelor's degree in a non-nursing subject and have been working on my BSN online (not WGU, another program, thinking of switching to WGU). Even with a bachelor's degree, and a AS/RN, I still had other classes beyond just core nursing classes to take. The advancement from an associates degree to a bachelor's degree is not just a matter of taking more "core classes." I believe you can always expect to have other peripheral requirements (histories, englishes, arts, maths, hours filled by electives, etc) when advancing from associates to bachelors. So, personally, from someone who spent 4 straight years of full-time study to obtain a bachelor's degree, I do not feel like having a 2-year degree plus 7 classes (either squeezed into 6 months, or drawn out over 2 years) necessarily constitutes the full work-load that is deserving of a bachelor's degree. Now, don't get me wrong. I am applying to WGU right now to attempt to "fast track" my way to a BSN, and I will be joyful for any classes I do not have to take. I am not being critical of WGU, but if I felt that WGU awarded a bachelor's degree to someone who has an associates degree, plus a few classes, then I would seek my education elsewhere. Again, I am not being judgemental and I do not know everyone's specific situation/associates degree work/prerequisites/etc, but it is my opinion that if you want to earn a real bachelor's degree, it takes a lot of classes.
- 1Apr 17, '13 by rayskatQuote from marycarneyHello marycarney, I came on here looking for suggestions, support, or similar experiences to mine to help me in deciding my next step. MOST of the responses I recieved were just that. I understand you have accomplished your goals via wgu and I was not proclaiming them to be bad. I was curious however about the monstrous class load. This is how people seperate the good from the bad you know, by asking questions and doing your homework. I completely understand and accept that my bsn will not be handed to me. I am an excellent and hard working student who loves school and learning new things. My problem is that I am told that I have to take sociology AGAIN, anatomy AGAIN, (not one but three), nutrition AGAIN and two more comp classes in addition to the two I have already done, speech/communications AGAIN. You see, I too have had additional classes. My advisor, who I spoke with yesterday had done nothing to check into this as of last week when I asked her to. So, anyway, I am still trying to decide if WGU is the right fit for me, no disrespect intended towards you.Most of the people (myself included) who have flown through with the 7-8 courses to completion brought in a substantial number of credits beyond the ADN. Yes, the only DEGREE they have is an ADN, but they have other credits from other places.
NO- WGU is not a 'money muncher'. They are an affordable alternative- and if they were just out for your $$ (which, being non-profit would be pretty ludicrous) then WHY would you be able to 'accelerate' - earn as many credits as you can in a term and pay NO ADDITIONAL TUITION? And WHY would they offer almost all texts INCLUDED in the tuition as FREE ebooks?
WGU is the real deal and the high quality degrees I've earned from them have changed my practice and my life. For real.
- 1Apr 17, '13 by paradiseboundRNI have an ASN and an additional year toward my BSN and I still have to take 6 prerequisites. I happened to have some other classes that fit because I started to major in another field before nursing. Both my husband (BS in marketing) and I tried to appeal our credit evaluations with no luck. However, my husband took his 6 credit course "Law and Ethics" (that they wouldn't transfer) and completed it in a week and a 1/2. When his mentor questioned how he was able to finish a 6 credit course so quickly, he said "I told you that I took it before"!.
- 0Apr 17, '13 by paradiseboundRNQuote from rayskatPersonally, if I had to take all that stuff again, I wouldn't do it! I would go into another less stressful, field! It wouldn't be worth it for me.My problem is that I am told that I have to take sociology AGAIN, anatomy AGAIN, (not one but three), nutrition AGAIN and two more comp classes in addition to the two I have already done, speech/communications AGAIN.
- 0Apr 17, '13 by Ellekat2How long ago did you take your classes? Most of my classes are from the '70's, but the powers that be have decided that we RN's must be BSNs. I have a BA in Speech Communication (I had planned to be a speech pathologist, but life got in the way) as well as an ADN. I aready know that I'll have to take A&P (my six hours does not equal their eight) and statistics. If they don't recognize credits older than thirty years, then I'll be taking it all over again. It would be simpler to get a Masters in another area, probably. Those are hours of my life that will be taken from time used for certifications-hours that actually make me a better nurse. I've spoken to WGU but have not sent in my transcripts....no point if they don't accept most of the transfer credits. Does anyone know if there is a "cutoff" point where they will not give credits for older work?
- 0Apr 17, '13 by Murse901WGU definitely isn't a "money muncher". That's laughable to even think about, because (as others have pointed out) they're non-profit and allow you to complete as many courses in a 6-months term as you can handle, for no additional fee.
The problem is this -- you have an AAS and not an ASN. Now, in the real world, that doesn't matter. You have a nursing degree and a license, and that's all that counts. But, in academia, the AAS has more vocational courses and fewer GenEd courses.
I can't find it anywhere on the WGU website, but back when I enrolled, they had a clearly-labeled chart of what courses you would be exempt from with an ASN. The same page with that chart also mentioned that AAS RN's would only be exempt from classes that they specifically had credit in.
It's unfortunate that they've seemingly removed this information from their website, because it could have saved you some heartache. However, if you'd have gone with any other BSN program, I can almost guarantee you that you would have to take the same number of courses, if not more. I'd encourage you to just power through as much as you can and as quickly as you can. I've read stories of people having to take as many courses as you're having to take, and still completing the program in under a year.
Edit: I just read your follow-up post. You should not have to repeat any courses, unless the courses you took were on a quarter-hour system and not on a semester-hour system. Sometimes, quarter-hours do not translate to the typical 3 credit-hours for those courses, and you end up getting the shaft. I would definitely have your enrollment counselor escalate your request. In the meantime, go ahead and start working on the courses that you are not challenging on the eval. It sounds like you're already enrolled, so you shouldn't waste time waiting to see what happens.
Even if you do have to re-take those courses, if you've already taken a similar course, you should steamroll right through them with no issues.
- 0Apr 17, '13 by RN*mommyI believe you should try for a transcript re-evaluation and hope for the best. I was able to complete my BSN in just under 6 months and with only 4 pre-reqs, however I had almost completed an associates degree in another field prior to switching to the ADN track.
I know from past posts that if your anatomy class didn't have a lab associated with it you'll have to redo that course (or just the lab portion, I'm not certain). I had to do the written communications class despite having two rounds of it in college and I believe those classes were used to satisfy other WGU requirements. I had to do a math class as my college math only covered the statistics portion of WGU's requirement. I'd never had nutrition before, so that was a given for me. I did appeal a few pre-reqs, however my appeal didn't work...BUT I was able to receive a more specific explanation as to why certain courses didn't "count" towards my BSN.
I can testify WGU is not out for money. I had no problems accelerating my classes, and when I decided midterm to switch to the MSN track, they could have easily told me no and that I had to wait until the end of my term. That would have caused me to take classes to receive my BSN and then have to retake similar classes to count towards my MSN. Instead they allowed me to make the change and take the MSN courses to receive my BSN.
Good luck. I hope you give WGU a chance to at least explain their reasoning behind all the courses. Unfortunately your student mentor can't really do that as I don't believe they get all the information. They can, however, point you in the right direction as to who can help you.
- 0Apr 18, '13 by Paul'in'FLI will have my MSN from WGU this summer, and I chose the school because of its non-profit status and because it requires REAl work to get a degree---they are NOT for sale, like many online schools.
Can't speak to the credits transfering or not, as I started at WGU with a BSN and a BA in a non-medical field.