SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 7

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we... Read More

  1. Visit  RNpearls1908 profile page
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    Yea I was going to post on this but then I realized how deamining this topic is and not to mention the responses ie. Frank rn or whatever Mr.high horse name is lol
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  3. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from mayahp22
    Yea I was going to post on this but then I realized how deamining this topic is and not to mention the responses ie. Frank rn or whatever Mr.high horse name is lol
    Lol...I bit...only because I was a LPN who transitioned into a BSN, and I actually do see the value in my education, through being exposed to write a research proposal in my Research class (THAT required knowledge about statistics, which was a prerequisite) how nursing theory has lead the way in changes how we practice nursing (google Jean Watson, Patricia Benner, Nursing Theorists); learned about unit hours, staffing and hospital economics and how it correlates to staffing and wages in leadership (WISHED I had took a hospital economics class...stats helped here too) Those "fluff" courses like ethics, philosophy, foreign language, help me transition into practice when dealing with families of different backgrounds, management issues, confidence in questioning orders and being active on the healthcare team...as an LPN I was doing all those things before, however, going through these require courses strengthened my understanding, rationale, and increased my effectiveness in educating peers, families, and management, leading to changes in my organization...I do see the value and power in education, if used effectively, and that's up to the individual and organizations to foster those conversations and allow the nurse to feel their potential and power as a competent nurse. And I have precepted RNs and LPNs as an LPN...And even then I stressed the importance of continuing education, knowing the business of healthcare, advocating effectively for your pts and for yourself to reduce burn out, and for the profession...ALLL tips I learned from ADNS and BSNS when I was in LPN and in my BSN programs...but these "mentors" evolved their practice as well...but their attitude was never condescending...they actually roasted students that were condescending. I do think evolving the profession is not a bad thing, and I do think that ADNs and DNs should be grandfathered in or bridged in, because either way, you still have to do continuing education, and you still have be on top if your own practice, your education is the root...what you do to enhance it makes your practice grow...
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  4. Visit  Skips profile page
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    Quote from rngolfer53
    This post is riddled with assumptions which would seem to be an error in critical thinking by the self-congratulatory holder of a BSN.

    While the OP assuredly didn't compose his post with "How To Win Friends and Influence People" next to his keyboard, replying in an equally offensive way, as Frank RN has, smacks of the schoolyard rather than a professional.
    Agreed.
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  5. Visit  Superstar1182 profile page
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    How many of those BSN% are skewed? Meaning how many where aids, LPNs, and ADNs, before becoming BSNs? So how can you say that BSNs have better pt outcomes?
  6. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Someone sounds a little bitter. Or jealous. Or both.

    The fact is this: If nurses want to advance their profession and command higher salaries/wages, then it is only fair that the requirements and standards are set higher and that the qualifications are more standardized across the board. Most professions outside of trade school require a four-year degree. Nursing is one of those few fields where only a junior college degree/diploma is required to enter the field. Why is that? Nurses can't complain about not being treated like professionals if the degree itself doesn't require a BSN.
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  7. Visit  Vines812 profile page
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    I have a few thoughts on this.

    For those saying they feel bashed for having a BSN, I'm sorry you feel that way. Of course education is never a bad thing! But as an ADN graduate..I feel bashed all the time. It is SO frustrating when you're overlooked for not having your BSN yet having took the same board exam, same amount of clinical hours, etc. I was on the phone with the recuriter at a hospital I have been working at for over 5 years. She was excited for my graduation and shared new grad program information with me but once I told her I was an ADN grad and not a BSN, things automatically changed. She told me to check in when I had the BSN. I've been a loyal employee for so long that it felt like a slap in the face!

    Some ADN nurses are ADN nurses because of the impaction of nursing schools, not because they don't want to have more education. I had over 100+ college units coming INTO the ADN program. I had my associates already and had all the prerequisites to qualify for a BSN program- just couldn't get in one due to impaction. As a result, I now have two associates degrees when i could have my bachelor's. Many other people I know in my ADN program already had bachelor's degrees in other fields but their previous education is overlooked because it is not a BSN.

    I am currently in an RN-BSN program and it is ridiculously easy compared to the ADN program I was in. Because of this I am very happy of the ADN education I had. I feel it taught me so much and never a day do i regret my decision to go to a CC for nursing.

    The whole magnet status things is a joke. My instructor who has her PH.D was saying the whole reasoning behind it all is marketing and money. So I can agree that IS not fair.

    I asked the nursing director at a local major hospital her thoughts on this. She said it is ridiculous and prefers ADN nurses because they tend to have stronger clinical skills, yet BSN is what the market is pushing for.
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  8. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    Someone sounds a little bitter. Or jealous. Or both.The fact is this: If nurses want to advance their profession and command higher salaries/wages, then it is only fair that the requirements and standards are set higher and that the qualifications are more standardized across the board. Most professions outside of trade school require a four-year degree. Nursing is one of those few fields where only a junior college degree/diploma is required to enter the field. Why is that? Nurses can't complain about not being treated like professionals if the degree itself doesn't require a BSN.
    So who's stopping you from getting more education and advancing your
    career? If you're a BSN taking a job as a floor nurse that can be filled by a LPN or ADN doesn't that mean that *you* are the one choosing to work below the full scope of your education?

    Maybe I should go work apply for a job in a doctors office and then complain about how all the MAs around me doing the same job I am are "insulting" to my profession and demand that MA programs be discontinued. Never mind that these people have been doing this job for decades and trained me how to do mine....

    If you take a position you *know* is routinely filled by people with lower education than you, doesn't that say more about *you* than it does about everyone else?
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  9. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    So who's stopping you from getting more education and advancing your
    career? If you're a BSN taking a job as a floor nurse that can be filled by a LPN or ADN doesn't that mean that *you* are the one choosing to work below the full scope of your education?

    Maybe I should go work apply for a job in a doctors office and then complain about how all the MAs around me doing the same job I am are "insulting" to my profession and demand that MA programs be discontinued. Never mind that these people have been doing this job for decades and trained me how to do mine....

    If you take a position you *know* is routinely filled by people with lower education than you, doesn't that say more about *you* than it does about everyone else?
    No. It says more about the field than anything else. And there are things that RNs can do that an LPN can't, so I'm not sure why you are bringing LPNs into this....
  10. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    No. It says more about the field than anything else. And there are things that RNs can do that an LPN can't, so I'm not sure why you are bringing LPNs into this....
    Because many RNs take jobs that can be (and are) filled by LPNs. And then they imply that the fact that there are LPNs and RNs doing the same job indicates that the LPNs are working beyond their scope. No.... it implies that the RNs are working under it.
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  11. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    You realize that that the Nursing Profession itself is the one to blame for this "pedestal".

    If they set one standard that everyone adhered to, then there would be NO PEDESTAL. Instead we have hen pecking about who is better. This infighting only makes us look like childish. Get a hold of yourselves, work as a team, set the standard, enforce the standard and move on with bigger and better things.

    This is embarrassing.
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  12. Visit  cabogirl profile page
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    Quote from kalevra
    You realize that that the Nursing Profession itself is the one to blame for this "pedestal".

    If they set one standard that everyone adhered to, then there would be NO PEDESTAL. Instead we have hen pecking about who is better. This infighting only makes us look like childish. Get a hold of yourselves, work as a team, set the standard, enforce the standard and move on with bigger and better things.

    This is embarrassing.
    ^^^^^^ TRUTH!!
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  13. Visit  sapphire18 profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    "Future RNs should have to obtain a BSN" does NOT equal "Current ADN RNs are incompetent." Most professions change educational standards. Changing the standards does not mean that those who met the current standards are incompetent. It's just saying, "Let's up those standards for the future."
    Could not have said it better myself, wooh.
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  14. Visit  happyinillinois profile page
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    I was an ADN with a previous B.A. That B.A. was a walk in the park compared t my ADN nursing school, and was from our state's Premier public university! Anyway, with all the BSN hoopla going around, I went through WGU and did the RN-BSN program for $4750.00. Do I feel an smarter? No. Does it help my practice working in ER? No. No more clinical hours, no disease processes you didn't cover. It is leadership, theory and public health. But at least now I am a BSN.
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