SICK of BSN Pedestal - page 10

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we... Read More

  1. by   redhead_NURSE98!
    Quote from MarieSens-Taylor
    Nurses with an ADN do NOT get jobs in research, leadership/management or community health. At best they may be a relief charge nurse...They are bedside nurses...
    I'm glad you know everything about every job market in the United States!
  2. by   healthstar
    Throughout my nursing orientation I was trained by a nurse with ADN! Let me just say she was the google of the hospital, she always looked up protocols and policies, she did everything by the book! She was creative, the most intelligent person I have met, she questioned doctors all the time, even the MDs were impressed how much she knew! MDs would ask her for suggestions such as procedures/ meds to order I was freaking impressed myself. Every damn nurse on the floor went to her with questions or if they needed a second opinion. She has years of experience!!! Experience is gold, is worth more than BSN, MSN,DNP! Yes education is very important, I support higher education but nothing can beat the importance of experience.

    I myself have a BSN! One day I dream to be just as good as the nurse described above!
  3. by   BlueDevil,DNP
    Quote from mariebailey
    Me! I read professional literature too.

    I have "a few years and 2 degrees behind me " as well. I think I needed that foundation to guide the decision-making I've been doing ever since.

    Props to higher education and reading!
    LOL at who reads that stuff? Who reads it? Who's who in our field, that's who. The leaders, the change makers, the innovators, the best of us. I read it. You should too. Your practice will be better off for it, your patients will be better off for it, you will be better for it.
    That aside, there is no arguing the value of formal, quality education. Asserting that less education is somehow just as good as more education makes the speaker sound ridiculous. I understand why many people can't or don't go to college, and really, it's fine. I completely agree you can potentially be an outstanding nurse with either an ADN or BSN. That is not being debated. But you still ought to read "that stuff." You can't not read the literature and be an outstanding nurse, sorry. Make all the excuses and protestations you like but you know and we know, no matter what your degree, if you don't read your professional journals, you are simply treading water.
  4. by   MunoRN
    Quote from ParkerBeanCurdRN,BSN
    I suppose I will be the jerk here. The worthless prereqs you speak of consist of a couple of courses of which I think you’re in desperate need; Writing and Communication. While I’m sure I will catch some heat for my comment, it just goes to show that having a BSN isn’t a waste of time or money. These comments are exactly why there continues to be a divide in our profession. Our profession thrives on continuing education. Advances in medicine along with new evidence based nursing research require us to continue our education. You should also know that a well-balanced curriculum prepares us to be well-balanced practitioners. Perhaps learning a proper technique in that gym class can transcend into the patient’s PT and OT care. Or perhaps that new recipe learned in that worthless cooking class can be the much needed ice breaker to promote a therapeutic relationship.

    Education, regardless of the topic, is not worthless.
    I agree with you general sentiment here, but you also touch on a major cause of why this discussion has such trouble getting anywhere meaningful: there's a lack of knowledge out there about what an ADN includes. I've reviewed many ADN programs' curriculum and pre-reqs and Communication and Writing classes (with at least one Eng 200 level class) are a pre-req in every one I've looked at.
  5. by   MunoRN
    Quote from subee
    The argument for BSN vs. ADN make not a whit of difference. If the market leans towards BSN, then others will be left behind....period.
    Yes, it's inconvenient for an education to cost money. But we don't hear much from other health professionals complain about the cost of their education - they just get on with setting an educational standard and DEALING with it because, by limiting their numbers, they command a salary more commensurate with their educational status.
    Is that why I make more than an MSW?
  6. by   DedHedRN
    Im a ADN nurse who just had to go on a home visit to fix a mess that a BSN nurse made. So much for the better care theory. Just saying.
  7. by   NurseGuyBri
    Whoa there, MarieSens-Taylor! I'm a very capable DIPLOMA RN who is a DON in a SNF facility... Calm down!... Granted, I do have a Non-nursing degree in something else, but jeesh.. Not to mention my ADN Predecessor is now a highly paid nurse consultant for a HUGE company.... They are not bedside nurses; we ARE ALL NURSES SO LETS STOP DIGGING ON EACH OTHER AND LIFT EACH OTHER UP.. SO sick of this stuff.... I mean COME ON we will NEVER advance as "professionals" if the DIPLOMAS, ADN's and BSN's dont start working TOGETHER. They are ALL VIABLE OPTIONS and we are ALL NURSES!!!
  8. by   twinmommy+2
    Wow, careful you'll get a nose bleed. I am an ADN x 7 years, just going back for my RN-BSN, and you don't know what you don't know. Give it a try.
  9. by   Rnandsoccermom
    This is my problem with this whole debate. My magnet hospital can cancel me at 5 pm for a 7 pm start. Then they call back at 9 pm and cancel again for 11 pm. Then call back at 1 am and I have to come in or get written up. We had a family complain that the patient had 3 nurses in 12 hours due to this type of staffing. My sister has a Bachelors and works in marketing. This never happens to her, in her line of work that is not how "Professionals" are treated. It is frustrating to me to force RNs 20 years into their careers to get a degree that won't change how they are treated or increase salary substantially. We are in fact are treated worse and paid less due the economy at this time. Frankly, I believe nurses need continuing Ed that is specific to their specialty to be able to excel at the bedside. Example: with the acuity of patients in the hospitals right now, I believe it is important for all nurses to be ACLS certified. You have to understand basic physiology and critical think to grasp this properly. It may be able reduce the use of rapid response teams to be able to catch a process before it gets out of control. My rant is over (sorry it got long) and I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone. I am sad to see that we are still after 27 years in nursing just pawns in the game no matter what we do.
  10. by   netglow
    Nursing Journals (magazines) have never interested me. Heck, I returned some of my nursing books in college in favor of medical ones and graduated with highest honors. Most of what gets sent to me with a nursing title ends up in the circular file.
  11. by   mariebailey
    Quote from twinmommy+2
    Wow, careful you'll get a nose bleed. I am an ADN x 7 years, just going back for my RN-BSN, and you don't know what you don't know. Give it a try.
    Exactly. That speaks to what we learn from experience as well as what we learn in the classroom. I am posting a face in case you need to punch something in the nose.
  12. by   lumbarpain
    through my 17 years of nursing I found that its not the amount of education and letters at the end of your name, its the compassion, heartfelt dedication to patients, and intense love of taking care of the patients that was important. Good communication skills and getting the work done was essential also. This makes a smooth flow amongst the faciltiy when people are working synergistically . Your stress, as well as the patients, families and staff are confident and relaxed when everyone is doing their share of the job.
    I have worked with many incompetent Nurse with even Masters degrees that didnt know the practical side of nursing from their rough elbows. ICU nurses who couldnt tolerate working with geriatric patients, Degrees mean nothing, if you are geared and able to work with certain patients, disease processes and ages in Nursing then this is where you belong. Some nurses believe that the Degrees make them think they can do any job, In my opinion, I dont think thats the case. But its just my opinion.
  13. by   BlueDevil,DNP
    Quote from netglow
    Nursing Journals (magazines) have never interested me. Heck, I returned some of my nursing books in college in favor of medical ones and graduated with highest honors. Most of what gets sent to me with a nursing title ends up in the circular file.
    Nothing of any quality is just going to be sent to you, lol. You would have to subscribe. RN and Nursing, of course, are barely any better than Cosmo or Redbook. I am referring to real scholarly research journals.