Education Conspiracy

[Avid reader]

Does anyone see a huge difference between an ADN and a BSN prepared nurse, nursing skills wise? Very little of my BSN coursework have been utilized on the floor and to be honest, experienced Diploma nurses frequently possessed better skills. Sure, there was management and leadership skills, but unless that is your intent, I cannot see the point.

Personally, the nurse with desire and curiousity for her craft have always appeared to me better, at not only practical skills but also interpersonal. I acquired more debt but little else.

Is there collusion between the AACN and learning institutions pushing this agenda? Why is it so few nursing international bodies have adopted very little of this trend?

[elkpark]

Apple, so you should. Unfortunately marketability is the only way to leverage. The discipline will assist you as well. I'm all for further education but as online further education demonstrates, conventional avenues can be modified. Personally, I think the market should dictate and not corrupt board officials and other institutions who knows full well that more income can be derived with more qualifications re licencing fees etc. Can you possibly explain why compact States haven't been adopted? It's only so that individual States can levy fees and benefit politicians coffers.

To me, it's more remarkable that so many states have chosen to join the compact. Please name one other occupation or profession that has national licensure, or automatic reciprocity of licensure across the country, rather than individual state licensure. I can't think of any, and haven't found anything via Google. US states have the right to license and regulate occupations, professions, and services within their own borders, and why would they voluntarily surrender that?

[bgxyrnf, MSN, RN]

I think higher education has then dumbed down the curriculum in the misguided notion that everyone should go to a 4-year University no matter what their capability. I think technical and trade schools are not pushed enough in our educational system. My daughters are in University now and say that a lot of kids really don't belong there.

At one point, I worked as a math and science tutor through the tutoring center at my university. I was shocked at the number of university students who lacked basic analytical and reasoning skills in math, chemistry, and physics.

Quite simply, universities are chock full of students who have no business being there.

In and of themselves, university degrees are meaningless to me. Given that I hold several of them, though, I publicly tout their worth purely as a tool of self-promotion.

[Spine_CRNA, BSN, RN]

To me, it's more remarkable that so many states have chosen to join the compact. Please name one other occupation or profession that has national licensure, or automatic reciprocity of licensure across the country, rather than individual state licensure. I can't think of any, and haven't found anything via Google. US states have the right to license and regulate occupations, professions, and services within their own borders, and why would they voluntarily surrender that?

What other professions utilize travelers the way nursing does? It would make practical sense then to be a compact state.

[Spine_CRNA, BSN, RN]

At one point, I worked as a math and science tutor through the tutoring center at my university. I was shocked at the number of university students who lacked basic analytical and reasoning skills in math, chemistry, and physics.

Quite simply, universities are chock full of students who have no business being there.

In and of themselves, university degrees are meaningless to me. Given that I hold several of them, though, I publicly tout their worth purely as a tool of self-promotion.

But you were a math and science tutor for people who struggle with math and science. Wouldn't this lack be expected?

*Devil's advocate* I would also disagree that university degrees are meaningless because they still have accreditation. I doubt many employers would entertain an applicant who got their education off YouTube, for example (or any other non-accredited means of education). Since many people go to the internet for learning, it's only a matter of time until the university's power is taken by someone who sets up legitimate online accreditation. They could host lectures over the web, reach SO MANY more students... Just think of YouTube videos. A single one could be viewed over 1 million times. That's much more than a lecture to 200 students.

For use of self-promotion I think that's wise. So often the initial step for getting a job, setting up an online sales page, piecing together a resume, or biography include looking good on paper. If one can't get past that, they may not get very far.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Yes, I think the consesnsus is that bedside nurses need to continue their education. But the debate is C.E. via CEU or formal graduate degrees.

Most, maybe, but I've read posts here from nurses who swear they have no CE requirements in their state, so they don't bother. Hard to imagine...

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Apple, so you should. Unfortunately marketability is the only way to leverage. The discipline will assist you as well. I'm all for further education but as online further education demonstrates, conventional avenues can be modified. Personally, I think the market should dictate and not corrupt board officials and other institutions who knows full well that more income can be derived with more qualifications re licencing fees etc.

The market DOES DICTATE. There are no BONs (corrupt or otherwise) and "other institutions" requiring RNs to have BSNs. There are no state mandates requiring nurses to have Bachelor's degrees. There is no national requirement in the US requiring RNs to gain higher degrees.

The only entities requiring nurses to pursue Bachelor's degrees are certain health care facilities which operate in markets saturated with nurses, both experienced and right out of school. And even then, there remain PLENTY of facilities who are just fine with ADNs. Why do you keep up with this line that nursing schools are requiring anyone to pursue advanced education? Repeatedly insisting that nursing schools benefit financially from student tuition does not mean that they are in any way involved in a conspiracy.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

At one point, I worked as a math and science tutor through the tutoring center at my university. I was shocked at the number of university students who lacked basic analytical and reasoning skills in math, chemistry, and physics.

Quite simply, universities are chock full of students who have no business being there.

Unfortunately, none of that surprises me. There are more than a few posters here on AN who claim to have college degrees (sometimes at the post graduate level) who cannot write even one coherent paragraph that is not riddled with poor grammar, spelling errors, or other examples of poor writing.

[Avid reader]

Horseshoe, you sound remarkably naive' to me if you do not realize that at all administrative and management positions, policies are tabled and discussed as to firstly, optimization re fiscal, then any other considerations. It's the goal of the privately held industries to make a profit as are politicians who are so easily swayed by the lobbyists who dangle the carrots. Who employs lobbyists? Might I suggest, private companies like Universities? How does Universities earn money? Just follow the spokes.

BON's are govt organizations that's supported by taxes. I haven't got the time or the inclination to educate you when it is so very easy to understand how basic commerce works. I am currently miffed re your tone and would like to reply in kind but your sheer ignorance absolves you.

[elkpark]

What other professions utilize travelers the way nursing does? It would make practical sense then to be a compact state.

What concern is it of the BONs that hospitals choose to employ traveling nurses? There were plenty of traveling RNs before the compact, and hospitals and the travelers managed just fine. The job of the BON is to regulate nursing licensure and practice within the state in order to protect public safety, not to make life easier for healthcare employers and nurses from other states.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Horseshoe, you sound remarkably naive' to me if you do not realize that at all administrative and management positions, policies are tabled and discussed as to firstly, optimization re fiscal, then any other considerations. It's the goal of the privately held industries to make a profit as are politicians who are so easily swayed by the lobbyists who dangle the carrots. Who employs lobbyists? Might I suggest, private companies like Universities? How does Universities earn money? Just follow the spokes.

BON's are govt organizations that's supported by taxes. I haven't got the time or the inclination to educate you when it is so very easy to understand how basic commerce works. I am currently miffed re your tone and would like to reply in kind but your sheer ignorance absolves you.

Your tin foil hat is in the mail. Should arrive shortly.

[Avid reader]

Should be an excellent accessory since I removed my blinkers which improved my vantage so much, that I can now see the chaff from the wheat.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Should be an excellent accessory since I removed my blinkers which improved my vantage so much, that I can now see the chaff from the wheat.

Yeah, you pontificate much but really don't make your case. You talk about intelligence, etc., and I will not insist that I'm very smart, but I have to say that you don't present yourself as the sharpest tool in the shed either. Far from it.