Education Conspiracy - page 2

Does anyone see a huge difference between an ADN and a BSN prepared nurse, nursing skills wise? Very little of my BSN coursework have been utilized on the floor and to be honest, experienced Diploma... Read More

  1. by   Avid reader
    Rose Queen sorry to be disagreeable but critical thinking? Absolutely untrue regarding Sweden and Canada. Sweden education is basically free and you have a population that is immensely curious which believe me makes discussions a nightmare. Frequently in Vancouver and certainly not the case there. No disrespect, but Portugal, Brazil and Greece, are you really going to believe an article that cites those countries and many humble apologies to those countries which are amongst the loveliest I've visited, but a BSN, really! Critical thinking!!!

    An uber driver a couple of days ago, lawyer making ends meet. Bravo to him. Work is work and he was paying his bills. That's the point. If it is in the best interest of everyone, wonderful. I simply do not like to be manipulated because for some reason I've had enough of conmen!!
  2. by   Rose_Queen
    Quote from Avid reader
    Rose Queen sorry to be disagreeable but critical thinking? Absolutely untrue regarding Sweden and Canada. Frequently in Vancouver and certainly not the case there. No disrespect, but Portugal, Brazil and Greece, are you really going to believe an article that cites those countries and many humble apologies to those countries which are amongst the loveliest I've visited, but a BSN, really! Critical thinking!!!
    Perhaps you need to do some more research. British Columbia, the province of Vancouver, recognized programs are either all baccalaureate programs or re-entry programs, meaning that those nurses have already completed a degree. Study to be a nurse
  3. by   Avid reader
    Rose, I did a qualification in the UK for psych nursing called an RMN which was transcribed automatically in Canada, actually B.C., to RPN, Worked agency in Burnaby for three months. No BSN was required, not even the managers had BSN's. Peripheral fact, Vancouver is amongst the loveliest places I've visited except for house prices. Minutes outside of the city are the most stupendous of scenery. Clean is an understatement.
  4. by   RunnerNurse09
    I am in my last semester of my bsn program, and yes I do think it adds to the clinical expertise, at least my program. The program I had required more pathophysiology, a detailed assessment course, and genetics. I feel like I am a better, more clinically able nurse because of it.
  5. by   Rose_Queen
    Quote from Avid reader
    Rose, I did a qualification in the UK for psych nursing called an RMN which was transcribed automatically in Canada, actually B.C., to RPN,
    RPNs are different than RNs. To be an RN, one must have a BScN.
  6. by   RunnerNurse09
    And ps, none of my bsn had any theory in it.
  7. by   Avid reader
    Rose, my qualifications are RMN, Reg Mental Nurse which frankly was the best of my education, SRN, equivalent being a Reg Nurse here, costing me all of nothing since my father is English, then back to America for my NCLEX and a BSN for one year, cost $13,000 and one year of my life learning absolutely little. In the UK their Reg Nurses are exceptionally well prepared for immediate entry onto the floors. Very little preceptor ship necessary. Their sisters are bred by dragons with real fire breathing capabilities with a horrific dry wit which can be worse than being burnt. I'm not sure if you can actually just be an RMN to become an RPN. All of the European nurses that I met from as many as say fifteen different countries, no one had a BSN. Yet, they were all quite competent albeit with dental challenges

    Please understand, I'm questioning if we are being taken for a ride?
  8. by   caliotter3
    Quote from Emergent
    The whole thing has become a racket in my opinion
    This. Many times over.
  9. by   Rose_Queen
    Quote from Avid reader
    Please understand, I'm questioning if we are being taken for a ride?
    If you paid $13,000 for an RN to BSN program, you sure got taken for a ride.
  10. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from Avid reader
    I posted this because of several other comments re conversions and personal experiences. I have nothing against further education and fell for an MBA incursion myself until I realized that 80% of the students were genuine idiots who will never convert that experience into something productive. Cost me $6,000 but could have been far worse if I hadn't opted out. I do not mean to offend others with further education, kudos to them but some people simply want to be nurses without being pressurized to spend far more money than is necessary.
    As a preceptor, I have not noticed a big difference between a new grad with a BSN and one with an ADN -- except for the fact that the BSNs always seem to start the job telling me about their plans to be an NP or a CRNA and they're just here "to get some experience first". Usually that means the minimum experience necessary to be accepted into the program of their choice. The ADNs come to the job excited about taking care of the patients, and that makes me excited to precept them. I will add that the MSN grads -- the MSN as entry-level grads -- seem to be particularly clueless when they start on the unit. That could be the type of people who choose an MSN over the much less expensive ADN, or it could be that the local MSN program is just bad.
  11. by   Leedeedee
    Entry level nursing courses in the UK, Australia and NZ are now only available at Bachelor's degree level. The majority of UK nurses are still Diploma educated, but for new registrations they require BSc Nursing Studies. Australia is now refusing to register UK trained nurses who do not have a Bachelor's degree. The rush to BSN degrees isn't only in the USA.
  12. by   RegularNurse
    I think the BSN thing is just a reflection of market forces.

    Regarding graduate school, MSN, MHA, and MBA degrees are becoming prevalent enough that they become the defacto educational requirement.

    Hate it or love it, 10k-20k grad degrees are the same price of cars and can dramatically improve your lifetime earnings and career trajectory. Especially for young nurses.
  13. by   jaderook01
    Quote from TheCommuter
    For some context, I started as an LVN before earning an ASN degree. I completed an online BSN a couple of years ago.

    Some nurses perform more optimally than others. However, I do not think it has much to do with their level of educational attainment.

    Factors such as intellectual curiosity, work ethic, desire for lifelong learning, critical thinking, competence, proficiency in procedural skills, solid communication skills, and years of experience all contribute to differences in the way nurses work.
    I tend to agree. However, I think the goal of many BSN programs (their stated goals- which may not translate to reality in all cases) is to attempt to instill critical thinking, et cetera. I know some ADN nurses that are fantastic. However, I also know some ADN nurses that suck tremendously (recent grads) because they don't care and only wanted a quick route to become a nurse. That sort has a very different mindset than the majority of recent BSN nurses I know. At the risk of sounding classist, it tends to be more of a class issue, I think.

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