Can a teacher do this? - page 12
Ok so I had a midterm yesterday. I have been studying for a little over two weeks straight for this example. I would go over the material she has posted online (she likes to do everything on power... Read More
2Nov 29, '12 by DezyI seriously hope the majority of the people in this thread don't treat patients the same way.No one on this board has to agree with me. I have made a point of what I am frustrated about but people on this thread like to down talk.... . Seriously maybe you shouldn't be a nurse if you can't practice civil behavior.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 29, '12 : Reason: TOS
5Nov 29, '12 by BostonFNP GuideQuote from DezyI have tried to stay very positive in this thread.I seriously hope the majority of the snotty people in this thread don't treat patients the same way.No one on this board has to agree with me. I have made a point of what I am frustrated about but people on this thread like to down talk..... Seriously maybe you shouldn't be a nurse if you can't practice civil behaviour.
But you last post really underlines how far away you are. Do you think that as a struggling nursing student you have the right to tell practicing nurses and NPs that they shouldn't be nurses? I know you think you know it all and are entitled to the rest, experience will likely change your position.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 29, '12 : Reason: edited quote
1Nov 29, '12 by sharpeimom, MSN GuideI had my husband read this thread the whole way through. His first thought was, "I wonder if she's in a study group?" I was and it made a big difference!
Two heads are better than one, I guess. In a study group, what frequently happens, is each person is responsible for the reading (other than skimming) one classes' assignment, then explaining and teaching
the other members. If there are five members and five subjects/classes, each person takes a different one.
Lots of grad and professional school students use study groups. They don't mean you quit reading assignments all together, just that you don't read quite as much.
4Nov 29, '12 by psu_213, BSN, RNQuote from DezyReally? There were a very few responses that were inappropriate. Most of them, however, were constructive criticism you didn't like. In order to be a good nurse you have to be teachable and accept such criticism. (As a side note, why it is like kryptonite on this site to question how someone treats their patients when you don't like what they have to say to you?)I seriously hope the majority of the people in this thread don't treat patients the same way.
There is no way that the instructor is going to cover every single piece of testable material during his/her lecture. It is the responsibility of the student to fill in the gaps by reading the text. That expectation is going to continue long beyond nursing school. You have learned that lesson; now move on.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 29, '12
0Nov 29, '12 by KimynurseWow!!!!!
I thought I was being supportive!
I tried to explain what Isis to help me study.
I am a very kind and caring nurse, that is why I tried to help you.
2Nov 29, '12 by ßåß¥Quote from DezyThis is a valid point. Say you have little Carey who is a 99 year old patient with renal failure and your talking to her daughter about things she needs to know about treatment. But since it is Carey's daughter's responsibility to help Carey comply with the medical care she needs, as her primary caregiver, you tell her daughter, "Well she has renal failure, you're a big girl, look up what types of treatments are available and figure it out yourself."I seriously hope the majority of the people in this thread don't treat patients the same way.
BUTTT, one may say, that's ridiculous, you are the nurse, and that is part of your job, you have to teach the patient and caregivers about their treatment in order for them to comply.
BUTTTTTT, is it not the instructor, as part of his/her job, to TEACH the students about their profession in order for them to be successful?
Just my two sense, but take it for what is it worth.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 29, '12
2Nov 29, '12 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorI think we need to be respectful of each other and each other opinions. I think that just because some may not agree with your opinion does not mean they have a bad attitude. Nursing is different than any other field of study...there is a lot demanded of it's participants. On the other hand.....it is not different as you will have bad instructors/nurses like anywhere else.
I tell my teenagers that they are entitled to nothing. It is hard work and perseverance that will reap the greatest rewards. I remind them that no one is going to "spoon feed" them in college and they have to pay for that privilege.
Nursing is difficult. Dealing with patients is messy and real. This is not a profession that you will be given information....you will be expected to glean information from out of nowhere, develop a plan, implement that plan without error. That is the expectation. Your patients are entitled to a good nurse.
Now do I think your instructor is a good teacher? No I don't......but like I tell my kids.....nothing in life will always go your way. There are challenges and disappointments....there will be times you will be knocked to the ground....
It is what you do with that that counts.
We promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.
Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.
Our call is to be supportive, not divisive. It is ok to disagree without being disagreeable......or the thread will be closed for review.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 29, '12
1Nov 29, '12 by DezyQuote from de2013I don't think having any title regardless if your a doctor or nurse priest teacher, that entitle people to treat others however hey want. If someone is being something that doesn't become them ( in a bad way) then I'm going to say it. If you can't be helpful to a fellow person wih problems you don't agree with you shouldn't be judgemental and attack. A good nurse knows this and I don't have to be the smartest to understand that.As far as the study group goes, most of the girls study by themselves but I do study with one girl in my class. I will see if I can organize the girls and guy to join together.I have tried to stay very positive in this thread. But you last post really underlines how far away you are. Do you think that as a struggling nursing student you have the right to tell practicing nurses and NPs that they shouldn't be nurses? I know you think you know it all and are entitled to the rest, experience will likely change your position.
2Nov 29, '12 by lifelearningrn, BSN, RN ProQuote from itsnoworneverWay to invalidate someones feelings/opinions. The 'eating of the young' begins long before nurses make it to the floor, apparently.Quit complaining.....
.....Get over it.
The idea of exams is to test students on what is being taught. If the teacher isn't going to cover material she plans on testing students on, she needs to assign specific reading, and at least teach on the finer points and explain to the class that they are expected to read the details on their own. That won't take ten years to do, for crying out loud.
IT IS THEIR JOB TO TEACH AND TO LET STUDENTS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS EXPECTED. Screw the syllabus. They NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.
This is just my opinion. I know this isn't the way it is and I've accepted that as part of nursing school. But that doesn't mean you have to just accept it like a good little peon and keep your mouth shut. Change doesn't happen when people keep their mouths closed.
It's funny to me that some of the nurses on this board complain pretty consistently about the injustices that take place on the floor in the hospital. How about they just get over it and quit complaining!!Last edit by lifelearningrn on Nov 29, '12 : Reason: To add a little more
1Nov 29, '12 by bbmtnbb, EMT-BDezy--There is a learning curve to college.
One: It is not high school
and btw I am 45 and have an AS and AA degree and working on prereqs for Nursingso I get the 'don't tell me to grow up'. But there are more things than agethat make us grow up. We can grow in a new field of knowledge, in a newexercise/sport, new foods, new languages, new relationships, new jobs etc. Andnew school is another one and you are starting to get it firsthand. Learning in college is different, they don't even care if you show up most of the time. You purchase very expensive books and you should figure they are your teacher not like in HS where the teacher talks for an hour about the course work. Some Universities are doing away with lecture and only having labs. All the info is in the book. They will post videos and power points (our favorite). High Schools will not be doing that anytime soon. Some just have a discussion period and talk about side notes of interest--BIG schools are doing this. So, 'Lecture' may not be lecture anymore but more like study group that includes a teacher.
Two: There are good teachers and bad ones and well in the middle ones. Iusually hit rate my professor dot com but also take it with a grain of salt.The 'hard' classes always say bad things about the professors. You have to reada lot to determine if they are fair and will answer questions.
Three: YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR LEARNING! Everything and probably a littlemore is fair game for tests, even if you were unlucky or un-researched enoughto get a decent teacher. I use the printed power point to write any notes onduring lecture but before lecture I have read the chapter(s) in full and afterthe lecture I start from scratch and write an outline of the chapter, headings,sub headings etc. I do not trust that the teacher was thinking properly when she/hesaid something. Example, in my anatomy class the teacher specifically said thatwe would NOT be responsible for labeling certain things (forget what now but Iremember the incident). When we walked into the lab for the test-it was ALOT ofwhat she said she did not require us to study-not responsible for. We were alllike "WHAT??" We addressed it with her and we were all adamant. Shesaid she never said that and would never (but she did) and that to be certainwe are responsible for EVERYTHING in the lecture AND the book AND the lab.POINT NOTED! Teachers lie and forget and are busy with other classes and oftenjobs and really just don't get into detail. You need to grow a hunger in yourbelly for learning so well that YOU could teach the class. Do extra researcheven. NO, as adults we don't have gobs of time BUT think where we waste it.Like on here. LOL, watching TV, even a little bit, and who knows what else.FIND time and be a serious student (I am sure you are or you would not be upsetand looking for answers.)
Four: Don't let it get you down and learn from it-like above-teachers sometimeslie or just plain forget or are not good teachers. Recognize it and don't lettheir failure at teacher have you fail in being a student. Your teacher is YOU!YOUR BOOK, YOUR LIBRARY!
Good luck and hang in there!!!!!Last edit by bbmtnbb on Nov 29, '12 : Reason: remove HTML code