Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

To immunize or not to immunize... that is the question. When I was growing up, there really wasn't any controversy - when we were in certain grades, we were all lined up at school and the public health nurse either gave us a shot in the arm or a little pink drop of sugary liquid on a plastic spoon. I have a nice, circular scar on each of my upper arms just below my shoulders that signify my immunization against smallpox, the only disease to have been declared eradicated from the Earth. When my children were small they each were given their shots according to the vaccination schedule of the time. It's what we did. Then came Andrew Wakefield.

The study published by Mr Wakefield purported to link immunizations with the development of autism and it set the world on its ear. The fact that this study has been debunked scientifically a number of times seems not to penetrate the consciousness of a growing group of parents who feel that herd immunity will protect their children. The principle of herd immunity is simple: if enough of a herd of any species is immune to a microbe the odds of an outbreak of that microbial disease are extremely low. And should an outbreak occur, it rapidly diminishes as the number of susceptible hosts drops. Well, guess what... the herd isn't immune any more.

Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and varicella have been documented all over complacent North America. Combined with a falling immunization rate, high-speed intercontinental travel allows these diseases to gain a toehold and then they are free to run rampant through populations with low or NO herd immunity. Communicability begins before the infected host becomes symptomatic, so spread is difficult to contain once it begins. Measles had been declared eliminated in the Americas in 2002, with small sporadic outbreaks annually; there were 85 cases on the continent in 2005 and as many as 253 in 2010. But in 2011, the WHO American region reported the highest number of cases seen since the disease was reported eliminated. My city has just recorded its second measles case in as many weeks after years of zero cases and we've had two infants with congenital rubella admitted to our PICU in recent months.

"So what's the big deal?" people say. Health care has changed since the 50s and 60s, and kids don't die of vaccine-preventable diseases any more. Right? Wrong. Children and adults DO die of these diseases, although the number is small and complication rates remain manageable. For now, at least. Even so, people still believe that it's all hype and not really anything to worry about. They forget about the children and adults who are unable to be immunized, not for lack of wanting it but because of other health issues. Children with cancer, blood dyscrasias, organ transplants and certain neurological disorders cannot be immunized against certain diseases. Adults who have been inadequately immunized as children for whatever reason are also at risk. And it's this population who are at risk for dying from chicken pox. Or measles. Or to become sterile from the mumps. Or to have a baby with severe anomalies from congenital rubella. It's not a joke.

In the course of researching my family tree I have come across entire families wiped out by pertussis and measles, and others by typhus, cholera, or scarlet fever (infections that while not vaccine preventable, have been essentially eradicated by modern-day antibiotics and sanitation practices). I'm always deeply saddened when I find them, and I fear that if the current complacency and disdain for immunization continue we may find ourselves right back there.

As pediatric nurses we have a unique opportunity to help make this better. We have many teachable moments in the course of our workday where we could reinforce the message that not only are vaccinations safe and effective, but also that parents aren't only protecting their own children, they're protecting those they encounter out in the world who aren't lucky enough to be able to protect themselves. We can remind them that no one knows what the future might bring and that someday they may find themselves with a child who can't be immunized. I remember a family that had 5 children. None of them were immunized because the mom was opposed. Their fourth child became critically ill and needed a heart transplant. The discussions with this mother were intense and, on some level vaguely threatening when it was pointed out that the child would surely die if one of the siblings brought home a vaccine-preventable disease after going through a transplant. She asked for some time to research things and in the end agreed to have all of her children immunized.

My challenge to you is to examine your own thoughts and feelings about vaccinations from a scientific rather than an emotional perspective. Then I challenge you to formulate your responses to parents who are on the fence about having their children immunized so you have them ready when the opportunity arises. Our future is counting on you.

Can you please explain how I did that? I said the autism link and celebrities had nothing to do with our decision. It didn't. You actually think anyone in this thread would listen if I posted anything? I have basically been called a bad parent and told I will be a crappy nurse. I am not about to be berated anymore.

Fwiw, I have a degree in biology and my husband has one in finance. We are educated. I don't appreciate being talked down to because you don't agree with me.

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Can you please explain how I did that? I said the autism link and celebrities had nothing to do with our decision. It didn't. You actually think anyone in this thread would listen if I posted anything? I have basically been called a bad parent and told I will be a crappy nurse. I am not about to be berated anymore.

Fwiw, I have a degree in biology and my husband has one in finance. We are educated. I don't appreciate being talked down to because you don't agree with me.

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No one (at least not me) has talked down to you except you. FWIW I said I was sure you cared deeply about your kids, and I didn't make any judgements about your future as a nurse.

You stated that celebs and autism had nothing to do with your decision but your exhaustive research on the topic did. You were then unable to cite any of that research. I would think with a biology background and entering nursing you would be be trained and would expect to have evidence ready to defend your statements. That is how objectivity works.

I refuse to cite my research because I am not debating my reasons. I meant to just post that one time and move along. Vaccination is one of those issues that I refuse to discuss. It is like religion and politics. People have a tendency to forget that people on the other end of the computer are human beings with feelings. It can get ugly

In the beginning, I did discuss it. Some people were like minded, others told me I should have my kids taken away or should have just aborted them if I was going to murder them once they were here by not vaccinating them. So pardon me if I tend to shy away from the discussions. I will not be returning to this thread so just ignore all my posts. I won't be posting anymore.

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I refuse to cite my research because I am not debating my reasons. I meant to just post that one time and move along. Vaccination is one of those issues that I refuse to discuss. It is like religion and politics. People have a tendency to forget that people on the other end of the computer are human beings with feelings. It can get ugly

In the beginning, I did discuss it. Some people were like minded, others told me I should have my kids taken away or should have just aborted them if I was going to murder them once they were here by not vaccinating them. So pardon me if I tend to shy away from the discussions. I will not be returning to this thread so just ignore all my posts. I won't be posting anymore.

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If vaccination is one of the issues you refuse to discuss then why make a bold post about vaccination on a vaccination thread?

It is clearly a personal issue for you. For the majority of nurses and scientist it is not a personal issue, it's about the science.

FWIW I am sorry people said such personal and hateful things to you. That is not acceptable behavior.

Dear Pre-nursing Student,

it is highly likely I was an RN long before you were born. I am guessing you have never heard the sound of an iron lung, seen a case of smallpox, seen how ill a child is with measles or watched a child die of meningitis. I have. The elimination of these infectious diseases was possible because vaccines were developed and widely used. A hundred years ago only approximately half of all children lived until their sixth birthday. Now we are seeing a resurgence of infectious disease because parents have not seen these and other vaccine preventable infectious disease, so do not understand the importance of vaccine. How can you possibly embrace nursing without embracing the scientific principles that guide and support our practice? Where are you getting your information? Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is your "go to" site for infectious disease information. As a nurse, one must be part of the solution, not the problem.

most of the improvement is not medicine/pharmaceutical based, but public health/hygiene. and we have a weaker gene pool now, than we did 100 years ago, d/t the survival of the less than fit....just because we can, doesn't mean we should.

Dear Pre-nursing Student,

it is highly likely I was an RN long before you were born. I am guessing you have never heard the sound of an iron lung, seen a case of smallpox, seen how ill a child is with measles or watched a child die of meningitis. I have. The elimination of these infectious diseases was possible because vaccines were developed and widely used. A hundred years ago only approximately half of all children lived until their sixth birthday. Now we are seeing a resurgence of infectious disease because parents have not seen these and other vaccine preventable infectious disease, so do not understand the importance of vaccine. How can you possibly embrace nursing without embracing the scientific principles that guide and support our practice? Where are you getting your information? Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is your "go to" site for infectious disease information. As a nurse, one must be part of the solution, not the problem.

most of the improvement is not medicine/pharmaceutical based, but public health/hygiene. and we have a weaker gene pool now, than we did 100 years ago, d/t the survival of the less than fit....just because we can, doesn't mean we should.

The evolutionary perspective (although fitness in this context refers to differential reproduction among individuals, not survivability of the individual in its environment). We certainly have increased our numbers via artificial selection, and one day we will pay for our overpopulation in some way (assuming the anti-vaccination movement doesn't swell, and one of these preventable illnesses doesn't come along and wipe out a big portion of the population).

But how do we reconcile the evolutionary perspective with our desire to keep our children alive, even if some of them (or indeed, us) aren't as well suited against our environmental threats as others?

One thing is certain: we must have genetic variability in order to survive as a species. Genetic variability is something that we do not lack, perhaps due in large part to our ability to fight a range of diseases, and prevent susceptible phenotypes from being wiped out.

But that's a different discussion for another day.

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janfrn thank you for this article. I am one of those who is grasping at straws trying to understand the anti-vaccine movement. I've yet to hear any articles that make sense to me.

Bran, people are asking about your resources because we want to learn and understand the other side. It's not about debating it's about learning. I always ask those that don't vaccinate for their resources because I want to understand. If they were to ask for my reasons and research for deciding to vaccinate I would happily hand it over.

Specializes in L&D, CCU, ICU, PCU, RICU, PCICU, & LTC..

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Let them learn the other way. It is very difficult to force these parents. Let them realize how important is vaccination nowadays.

Unfortunately, it's not them that pays the ultimate price, it's the innocent kid.

But the parents, like the PRE nursing student, WILL pay the price of knowing THEY are the only ones responsible for their child's disease, disability, or even death.

PRE nursing tells me she has not really studied the practical courses that would allow her to make intelligent decisions about vaccinations. Her refusals to post anything that could back up her 'beliefs' tells me she really has not explored all of these and thus has no basis, no proof, for her ideas. Any one of the real nurses on here could find at least one article to offer for any of our opinions.

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I am by no means against vaccination, but she was simply wanting to just clear up a misconception here. Berating her about her facts and research and spelling ability is just silly. Trying to get her to post her research so you can tear it apart and make fun of her is silly. Are her choices the 'right' ones? Eh, my kids are vaccinated and I haven't seen her research. But that wasn't her point.

It is NOT wanting "tear it apart and make fun of her", but rather to understand what she read that had such an impact on her. IF she is right, then everyone should have the opportunity to read and understand what she did.

Thankfully for you, all you have to do is just think that way. Trust me when I tell you, having a low-functioning autistic child is sometimes much, much worse. There is no closure. There is only the open wound of a life not realized, one that will be wholly dependant on the care of others forever. Care that will hopefully be as empathetic, compassionate and intuitively administered as it was when it was the parent providing it was alive. Try giving "Planet Autism" a read to contrast it with "Welcome to Holland" to gain some perspective.

FTR, my daughter suffers from a mitochondrial dysfunction ala Hannah Poling that likely lead to her regressing post MMR due to a febrile encephalopathy. Unfortunately I was woefully ignorant to these things all those years ago, so I cannot prove it at this point. Also FTR, she is up to date on all her required vaccinations. Science isn't always black and white, there's a bit of gray.

The rise is real and the argument that better diagnosing or a change to the DSM accounting for the entire increase has all but been abandoned in scientific circles. While it certainly can account for some of the rise, I think the highest attributable to that is ~25%.

That's quite sad you think that way and FTR my child does have autism so no thankful I don't just have to think that way.

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Honestly, I don't have any links because we didn't keep them. .

Your claims of being an experienced researcher of this subject are utterly false.