Mandatory flu shots???? - page 10

by 45whenimdone

It didn't dawn on me until just right now, don't ask me why, that my choice of NOT getting a flu shot will NOT get me into a nursing program. The director at my school of choice basically stated "it is a requirement that you... Read More


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    It worked for me this year. I guess i am part of the 9%.
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    It's interesting that no one has challenged the misleading 9% effectiveness number that's been bandied about. The 9% applies to those over 65 years of age onl. For those age groups 18-64, qwhich will include almost all students or working caregivers, the efficacy rate is 46-50%. Sounds like that's a real good reason for us to vaccinate ourselves in order to protect our more vulnerable patients.

    Also, Thimerosal is a preservative in multi-dose vials. It helps prevent bacterial or fungal contamination. If you want to avoid the Thimerosal, simply find a provider who will inject you with a prefilled single dose syringe.
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    We're about thirteen years past the 90's. It's pretty simple. You can choose not to get the shot, and facilities can choose not to hire your or to have you in their facility for your clinicals. Ultimately, its still your decision whether or not you get the shot.
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    Quote from pmabraham
    Good day:

    My wife and I use RO water; and do our best to eat organic food for which we do our homework as to its source, good and bad points, etc.

    It is interesting I see zero answers on Aprotinin as well as would you consider buying or using (as your only means of travel) a vehicle that only worked 9% of the time.

    Thank you.
    To be honest I don't really understand comparing the flu vaccine to a car that works only 9% of the time.

    If walking was very painful to me and I had to trek 10 miles to work every day you bet that I'd take the car that works 9% of the time (or if I happened to be younger than 65, the "car" actually works about 50% of the time) as opposed to walking 100% of the time.
    Of course I'd prefer a "car" that works 100% of the time but for obvious reasons that particular vehicle has no place in this comparison.


    Facts about this years influenza vaccine effectiveness:

    CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - What You Should Know for the 2012-2013 Influenza Season


    A little something I found that you might find interesting:

    European Medicines Agency - News and Events - European Medicines Agency recommends lifting suspension of aprotinin
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    The ability of a vaccination to produce immunity is always lower in certain sub-groups, including the elderly, this is nothing new. But if you believe this is an argument for avoiding vaccinations, rather than one of the main reasons why vaccinations in the general public are encouraged, then you have a misunderstanding of the theory behind immunizations.

    The purpose of vaccinations is not so much to keep the vaccine recipient from becoming ill, it's more to protect those who are at much higher risk due to the illness. The catch 22 of immunizations is that you need a strong, competent immune system for a vaccination to work, yet those with weakened immune systems who are less likely to be protected by a vaccination are the same people for whom the illness targeted by the vaccine poses the greatest risk. When you get vaccinated, it's much less to protect you than it is to protect those high risk people. Since vaccines aren't all that effective in those with weakened immune systems (due to old age, disease processes, etc) they depend on everyone else to limit the spread of these diseases through vaccinations.

    I think people often think that refusing a vaccine is a matter of autonomy, I'd argue it more a matter of selfishness.
    loriangel14 and chare like this.
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    What makes you think you are so right? Have you done the research from both sides? I have researched both sides of the argument, and the argument of mandatory vaccinations is not convincing. You cannot tell people that "apparently nursing is truly just a dream to you and not a life goal" just because they don't want a flu shot.

    "The evidence base supporting vaccination is unsound and prejudiced"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...012-205464.pdf
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    Quote from Stephalump

    Homework is good. Informed decisions are good. But all that is far from the point.

    OP either gets the shot, or she finds another career. Her reasons are her own and could be valid, but they don't change her options.
    I don't think that is far from the point at all.
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    WOW!

    No wonder why nursing is in such a deplorable condition.

    No critical thinking whatsoever.

    I would hate to have any "flu-shot taker" as my nurse, because they might give me some medication that might kill me just because "the doctor told me to".

    Hey, if you want to shoot yourself with shots and you like it, go for it!

    But not everybody wants that, and it should NEVER be mandatory. We as a group need to stand up for our human rights. We have the right to be safe in our person, that is a constitutional right. Flu shots are not 100% safe. Not a risk I am willing to take. Pleople should not have to choose between their job/school and safety/giving up their human rights.

    As for myself, the second I am "mandated" to take a shot, I will refuse, and if I lose my job, I will sue and get my job back. Why? Because the constitution protects me.

    The true solution for the flu problems is easy. Let people that are sick, stay home until they feel better, without penalizing them.

    As for the OP, if you choose not to pursue nursing: GOOD FOR YOU!

    Nothing but backstabbing lemmings would surround you anyway.
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    Quote from MunoRN
    The ability of a vaccination to produce immunity is always lower in certain sub-groups, including the elderly, this is nothing new. But if you believe this is an argument for avoiding vaccinations, rather than one of the main reasons why vaccinations in the general public are encouraged, then you have a misunderstanding of the theory behind immunizations.

    The purpose of vaccinations is not so much to keep the vaccine recipient from becoming ill, it's more to protect those who are at much higher risk due to the illness. The catch 22 of immunizations is that you need a strong, competent immune system for a vaccination to work, yet those with weakened immune systems who are less likely to be protected by a vaccination are the same people for whom the illness targeted by the vaccine poses the greatest risk. When you get vaccinated, it's much less to protect you than it is to protect those high risk people. Since vaccines aren't all that effective in those with weakened immune systems (due to old age, disease processes, etc) they depend on everyone else to limit the spread of these diseases through vaccinations.

    I think people often think that refusing a vaccine is a matter of autonomy, I'd argue it more a matter of selfishness.
    I think it is selfish to expect the healthy individuals to be poisoned with heavy metals, for the sake of the immunocompromised.
    jttg94 likes this.
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    Quote from MelodyNelson
    As for myself, the second I am "mandated" to take a shot, I will refuse, and if I lose my job, I will sue and get my job back. Why? Because the constitution protects me.
    Good luck with that one! Unless you've got your sights set on politics in hopes of one day amending the Constitution, no such protection exists.
    SE_BSN_RN, Luckyyou, and elkpark like this.


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