Why do nurses love for profit schools?

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Not trying to be flamed, so please think logically and only post well thought out arguments (not personal attacks, etc). I would like to know why nurses, from RNs to NPs, seem to be so enamored with for profit schools? For almost every other profession, they are an embarrassment. Most professions don't even allow for profit schools to grant degrees in their field. They drastically lower credibility of a degree, and many function as degree mills with very poor standards for admission. They contribute nothing to research, they care nothing for their academic reputation, and their ultimate goal is satisfying shareholders, not students.

Despite this, nurses continue to support them with zeal. I cannot count the number of posts on this forum from people asking whether they should choose Walden or Chamberlain, South or Aspen. It seems as soon as people think of doing an online degree, they immediately gravitate toward the for profits despite a huge number of reputable, not for profit options, which are sometimes cheaper. Is it the advertising? Is the ease of admissions? Are people so uninterested in the quality of their education that they choose a for profit simply due to lack of admissions tests or interviews? I mean, for heavens sake we have a "Colleges" tab here at allnurses, and I click it thinking I will see dedicated forums for top schools like Duke or Johns Hopkins...instead I see Walden and Chamberlain. Really??

I really want want to know, guys!

Specializes in Psych ICU, addictions.
For many, the choice to attend a for-profit entity can be narrowed down to one important word: convenience. People will gladly pay extra to take the path that saves time and offers convenience in a world otherwise loaded with inconveniences.

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And most for-profit schools will take a wider range of students as opposed to a non-profit or traditional school. If you have a pulse, you are most likely able to get accepted without having to do much more. This appeals to students whose grades from earlier in their academic career aren't up to snuff.

How about the tenure, experiences and field of expertise. All accounts to be an asset leading to your advance degree, right? Compare one Med-Surg RN to ICU Rn with same tenure..different school...who do you think will have an edge?

Just a friendly albeit insignificant, correction. . .West Coast University is now charging in excess of $132,000 in tuition for their generic BSN program. Outrageous! BTW, people pay this much money due to instant gratification. . .they want the degree NOW instead of patiently ending up on a waiting list, improving their grades, or relocating to an accredited out-of-state nursing program.[/quote']

WHAT!!!!! Don't student loans for undergrads cap at like 57,000? Do people take out private loans? I don't understand :-/

WHAT!!!!! Don't student loans for undergrads cap at like 57,000? Do people take out private loans? I don't understand :-/

There are some people who get suckered into this with false promises. It's sad and almost predatory. They likely don't want to wait on a 2-3 year waiting list and then this school comes along and offers instant admission...for a price. I'm sure they have something like: "The average RN makes $75,000 per year, so if you finish two years earlier by going with us, you will make $150,000, more than enough to pay for the whole degree!"

Nevermind the competition for jobs, the falling salary, the taxes, the living expenses, the student loan interest...ugh, why does our profession allow such places to exist? Where's the protection?

Demand - there are many aspiring nurses due to the myth of a "nursing shortage", but state funded schools can offer only limited acceptances due to funding. It's VERY competitive (at least in california) to get into a state school. For-profit, you pay for convenience.

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WHAT!!!!! Don't student loans for undergrads cap at like 57,000? Do people take out private loans? I don't understand :-/
Yes, people take out higher interest private loans through providers such as Citibank, Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Sallie Mae, or their local credit union. When combined with the federal student loans, the overall repayment often adds up to $1,500+ per month.

A lot of people's ego's get bruised, but as others have already commented, it comes down to convenience and low standards of admission. People will start throwing in subjective anecdotes of how X practitioner who went to (insert for profit school) is just as good/better Y practitioner who went to Columbia/UPenn/JHU/etc.

Its a shame that nursing schools are not as stringent and self regulating as the medical profession is. If you can't get into med school in the US, tough - try harder and be willing to sacrifice by applying to more schools and be willing to move. If you can't you'll have to consider a non-US school where you better bust your ass to be able to match into a competitive residency.

I'm afraid that allowing these "universities" (which also sponsor this board :sarcastic:) to keep pumping out practitioners are only going to hurt the perception of NP & nurses in the eyes of the general public.

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