Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not

As seen by a Registered Nurse from the United States, who is now on assignment, it can be hard to adjust to hospital nursing in Saudi Arabia. That is particularly true in the hospital complex that serves the Saudi Royal Family. The very size of this facility is daunting. It is a 1 km straight walk from the front door to the back entrance. World General World Article

To an American nurse, it seems like an upside-down system.

The Policies and Procedures that fails to fall within any framework of prior hospital experiences. This is a place where the patients tell you when it is time for an assessment or for treatments or for meds. When a member of the Royal Family is admitted to a unit he/she is accompanied by a minimum of 3 and up to 14 servants. This includes a private nurse. You will get to know this nurse well because you do not administer the meds, but rather give them to the private nurse who gives them to the patient.

There is a high degree of racial prejudice against persons of color, South Africans, Hindus, and Filipinos, in this hospital. They are not allowed to work in the Complex of the Royal Family. A nurse with an American passport is considered white and is highly sought after. Co-workers will go to the American nurse and take her along with them when they want to communicate a plan of treatment to a family member of a patient. She is introduced as an American nurse and does the speaking for the co-worker.

The lifestyles of the Royal Family have contributed to staggering poor health. By the time they are 40-50 years old, you will find patients in this unit, male and female, have osteoporosis from lack of activity. By the time they reach 50 most of these patients have often given up on life because they have nothing to do except indulge themselves. It is sad to see them on heparin because they choose to stay in bed. They can be observed sleeping all day and eating all night. Since they are royal, you cannot tell them what to do or how to do it, even if it is for their own good. A patient may be on an insulin drip for a week while gorging on food the whole time. These patients have an inordinate amount of cancer and genetic disorders, and one in three are diabetic. It is not unusual to see a handsome prince, dressed in pristine white, clean and sweet smelling, with a body wasted by muscle atrophy.

An order for DNR does not exist, except on paper. There are upwards of 6,000 members of the Saudi Royal Family. Each one is eligible to receive a share of the Family fortune, as it is doled out. Therefore, the aged and/or infirm are kept alive by all means possible. This hospital houses an entire wing of patients who are in persistent vegetative states or are on vents or other means of artificial life support. As long as they live, their family members have a closer link to the crown and they are eligible for stipends that will be managed by their guardians.

Advantages of working as a nurse in this outpost are notable.

American nurses command the highest rate of pay. Transportation, to and from Saudi for each assignment, is paid. A one year contract can include a 2 week paid vacation. A Re-up bonus for a second year is often offered. There is no Saudi tax to pay and very few living expenses since housing is provided. There may be favorable tax treatment by the IRS as well. Uniforms are provided and will be worn, without covering, only while on duty. At all other times, when in public, a nurse must be covered head to toe with the burka. Segregated swimming pools, tennis courts, and fitness centers, etc. are provided and offer diversion. Taxis or buses are available to provide transportation to leave the complex to go shopping or site-seeing. Everything in the shopping center seems to be made in China. But, the Super Markets are great. There, you will find food from all over the world. You can spend hours just tasting special imports of the best honey, or 28 different kinds of olives on the olive counters. Hint: You might find the sweet olives are horrible. However, you may never have seen such dates. They are to die for.

Disadvantages of going to this outpost need to be pointed out. American nurses are sometimes vulnerable because they can be naive. They have enjoyed the Constitutional protection of a democratic government. They do not always carefully consider that they do not have that same protection when they leave the borders of their homeland. A study of the customs and culture of the country to which they are going is a must. Most important is an understanding of the system of government and laws.

According to the U.S. Department Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2000-2001, this Islamic country is ruled by Sharia Law, and Women's Rights are virtually non-existent. Although a state of world-wide unrest exists with the Radical Islamic countries, because of oil reserves, a policy of appeasement has been adopted by the United States. Americans in Saudi Arabia must depend on this fragile relationship to continue in order to have a semblance of safety while they are in that country. It is important to know the facts and not live in the romantic fantasy of The Arabian Nights.

In Saudi Arabia, the government seems to be made up of a system of checks and balances. The Royal Family controls the money. Money is "Power". The Islamic Radicals are the Rulers because they interpret the Law of Sharia; a system of national laws derived from the Koran and the traditions of Mohammed. The Mutawwa'in are the religious police who are the enforcers of the Law. Religious Law is Civil Law in this country. Because it is interpreted literally, it is enforced without mercy. Sharia Law identifies anyone who is not a Muslim as an Infidel and an enemy. Muslims are specifically ordered to not befriend unbelievers. Mateen Elass explains the implications of this in her book, Understanding the Koran. According to standard Islamic jurisprudence, Sharia Law today interprets the Koran as obligating Muslims to be under the rule of expansionist jihad (holy war). This is understood as an armed struggle against unbelievers, whether or not the Muslim community had been attacked. This is a country that has a history of 1,600 years of revolutions, political assassinations, and massacres, and has ruled it's populace by subjection or death. Today, Arab media often incite Arabs to street rage and violence by feeding misinformation. You will remember that the world witnessed Muslims dancing in the streets, celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center 9/11.

There is a difference, between being a judgmental person and being a person of rational judgment, that is worth remembering. If you choose to go, Saudi Arabia, be careful about how you conduct yourself. Right now, the long arm of the U.S. Embassy gives a sense of safety. However, there are things that you must do to protect yourself from embarrassment, from derision, from humiliation, from attack, and from arrest. Be prepared for unwelcome gazes and advances from the Saudi men while you are working in your uniform. They have been brought up to believe that a woman who does not cover herself is available for sex or is a prostitute. Never accept an invitation to accompany a Saudi man anywhere for the same reason. He has an expectation that you can be bought and because of his wealth may offer very expensive jewels and gifts. Outside of your unit, you will always be covered with a Burka. You will ride in the back of a bus, by Law. You will not get into a Taxi unaccompanied because you cannot be alone with a man. Men and women are separated even in the Marketplace. If you want to buy a cup of coffee in Starbucks, you will go to a segregated area for women. Is Saudi Arabia a good idea for you? Only you can decide.

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Specializes in Senior homecare.

I would be interested to know what the salary/pay is over there for a RN and for an LVN.

Thank you.

i am sorry i dont have the wrong idea about saudi you have.Wake up and smell the coffee. What is the use of being secure but not free. Their treatment of non-white, non-arab expatriates is well known. For the same jobs, based on race and nationality, workers are paid differently. And you would be lying if you said thats untrue. Islam teaches equality. I have seen everywhere except in saudi. If a non-arab is killed in an accident, his death compensation is far less than an arab one. Better to be a slave in heaven than a king in hell.

Specializes in Gastroenterology.

Thanks for the article,

It helps me to better understand the behavior of a patient I looked after a few months ago who was from Saudia Arabia. As you say in your article, although only 40 she had suffered from out of control diabetes for years leading to blindness and frequent collapses among many other problems. Her family and servant were constantly in the room and it seemed very crowded. Despite her diabetes she ate an enormous amount of inappropriate food and kicked the nutritionist out when they tried to speak to her about her diet. She would sleep until lunch and then complain about missing breakfast. As you said in your article she had the attitude that she would decide when to go for a test or treatment and when to have or not to have her medications. It was a real shock for those of us who were looking after her. Anyway, your article helps to put her behavior into context and explains the kind of care she was used to in her own country and why our requests seemed so outrageous to her. Thanks!

Specializes in OB, ER, M/S, Supervision - Acute care.
Thanks for the article,

It helps me to better understand the behavior of a patient I looked after a few months ago who was from Saudia Arabia. As you say in your article, although only 40 she had suffered from out of control diabetes for years leading to blindness and frequent collapses among many other problems. Her family and servant were constantly in the room and it seemed very crowded. Despite her diabetes she ate an enormous amount of inappropriate food and kicked the nutritionist out when they tried to speak to her about her diet. She would sleep until lunch and then complain about missing breakfast. As you said in your article she had the attitude that she would decide when to go for a test or treatment and when to have or not to have her medications. It was a real shock for those of us who were looking after her. Anyway, your article helps to put her behavior into context and explains the kind of care she was used to in her own country and why our requests seemed so outrageous to her. Thanks!

I never thought of it that way! Of coorifice this patient's behavior in one of our American hospitals would not be understood. Neither would she ever understand how puzzling her actions would appear to our hospital nurses. I'm glad you passed on your observations.

Specializes in BURN, LTC, Critical Care.

I'd like to hear how they treat male nurses

Michael

Having lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for 4.5 years, my experience was of great learning and appreciation.

I must admit that I worked for the 'best' company in KSA (this is my biased opinion!) and I have the greatest respect for the culture, the history and the traditions and beliefs. I am not there to judge others, and if a person does not agree with something, feel free to move on - without treading on other's beliefs, dreams or culture.

As you mentioned, it can be a great learning curve, which is not exciting for everyone. There are so many things that I was unaware of prior to working there.

I must admit that I have had a hard time with the expats most of the time, not the local population! As long as the laws and customs are respected and adhered to, this is a great experience. I also know that my experience was a total eclipse to the nurses working 10 min down the road from my place of work, so there are MANY stories to tell, with many different edges to the same story.

At any given time or place I respect myself, my colleagues and friends, my patients, parents and my children - no matter where I live, work or whom I come into contact with. For the rest, I am always cautious not to assume anything - EVER.

There are (as anywhere in the world) language barriers, or a misinterpreted 'defiance' of regular rules regarding customer services.... but I have no illusions about that, as I have lived and worked in many different countries, all unique and wonderful in their own way.

Saudi is one of them.

Greatly recommended.

(PS: I do not have an American passport and my contract and privileges were treated differently.. so that is no illusion)

Wow what an interesting thread. I am American but very respectful of others cultures- my parents and family are immigrants and I have traveled to Asia while in the military. I gave some thought about doing contract work in the Middle East after my military service time was up- but I wanted to go back to school. Being a nurse and working in SA seems to be an very interesting experience. I would like to save money and have some Giorgio Armani suits ;-).

I am worried about the danger though, I certainly won't break any laws but that doesn't mean I can't become a victim.

Someone earlier in the thread asked about how female African-American nurses were treated....maybe someone can PM me if they don't want to write it in the thread. Of course there is discrimination everywhere including the lovely USA, but if it is out of hand or people ordering me out of their room, doing something bad like hitting or spitting I'd rather just stay stateside.

I lived in Saudi for six months. My DH was stationed in Riyadh for a year. I wouldn't want to go back, as my mother says "all money ain't good money" I enjoy my freedoms. As others have said the Saudi's version of Islam is not the Islam of my Muslim friends. It's a WHOLE different ball game over there. The religious police scared the crap out of me. I carried my documents(they were in arabic and stated the man I was with was my DH) every where and I was still scared. The shopping was out of this world, but I'll pass. Now I'd go to Dubai...

Specializes in Emergency room nurse & endoscopy nurse.

well, i can say that I agree of what is being written about Saudi Arabian people & their culture... as a nurse for 6 years I have experienced & observed, that not all arabs are the same...some well educated Saudi's are more open minded & they treated medical professionals in a nice manner,but frankly speaking most of them are very difficult to deal with...(language barriers, cultures & religions),most often they feel that they're more knowledgeable than the doctor nor the nurse, they do'nt have patience to wait for their turn...before I work there, some of my friends would say that Saudi's had a backward mentality, & I didn't believe until I worked there.... And that's true it's very hard for us to live there, if we don't have freedom of expressions esp. we have to attend mass in secret...whereas in some other countries

they can build their mosques as many as they want...Hoping one day they'll come up for a realization:confused::icon_roll

Specializes in OB, ER, M/S, Supervision - Acute care.

your comments offer a reality check for those who are contemplating taking an assignment in this exotic place.

Specializes in ICU (all), neuro, child rehab.
I think the article was a little bit over the top. I am Muslim, born in America a African-American and a Nurse and yes I've been Muslim all my life. I will tell you first hand that this is not Islam this is more culture. I know personally people who have been across seas and they incorporate their culture inside the religion of Islam. I think that as human beings we need to first learn what is truth and what is not before we label a religion based on just a few ignorant people. There is 1.6 billion muslims in this world and we are not all bad. This article only describe the negative and it is not that far from being bias. I take great offense to the article because he associated islam with people's ignorance and their cultural practices. I try to treat people regardless of what religion they are with great respect this is what true islam teaches to respect your neighbor even if they are different from you. We need to stick to what is important that is providing care not judging people's religions.

The article was the expressed experiences and opinions of one individual and she is entitled to it. I never got the impressin that Mulims were "bad" from her writings. My doctor is Muslim,an long-time friend and prior room-mate was from Iraq, my girlfriend is married to a Muslim -BUT! - these are Muslims in the USA and not Muslims in Saudi. I have 5 friends/aquaintances who have been in Saudi Arabia to work and all 5 corroborate this writer's experience. Don't let your own identification as a Muslim in America get in the way of invalidating her experiences there. The Muslim world in the US is very different from those in the Middle East.

Specializes in OB, ER, M/S, Supervision - Acute care.

Well said. Thanks.