Dropped pills - page 3
So last night when I was giving my patient her meds in the med cup of course, she dropped them on the floor. It was her synthroid and oxycodone. I told her I would get new pills for her but she... Read More
1Oct 4, '12 by LPNnowRNhopefullThe decision to administer a pill that had dropped on the floor should be based on the circumstances at the time. I deal mostly with the elderly, and they can frequently drop the pills. If the medication is a floor stock, or a medication I know to be a cheap medication - I would not hesitate to get new medications. Additionally, if a verbal response from the patient is to give them the pills anyway - and there is not an obvious contaimination - it's probably ok to give them.
On the other hand, many people still believe that cleanliness is next to Godliness - so you have to base it on your circumstances. If in doubt, don't consider anything other than getting new medication.
Documentation on this subject is a personal choice.
1Oct 4, '12 by RNsRWeQuote from woohOMG, I just made this weird snorty sound when I laughed! You are now my favorite charter, hands down, lol......My note would then continue: "Educated patient that she should not continue to eat pills off of the floor. Informed patient that nursing staff would not purposefully administer oral meds via the floor. Patient voiced understanding. Educated patient to not lick doorknobs. Informed her of the risk of mouth MRSA. Patient also educated not to lick faucets, toilets or friends' oozing pustules. Continued to educate patient on the risks of mouth MRSA. Informed patient that after touching friends' oozing pustules that she ......edited for brevity.......
2Oct 4, '12 by RNsRWeQuote from hiddencatRNenjoying this thread tonight! And then imagining what might constitute Bat Poo Crazy Things, lol....!....or starts doing other bat poo crazy things......
BPCT: The Other White Meat.
I think I worked too long today....Last edit by RNsRWe on Oct 4, '12 : Reason: fixed html snafu
3Oct 4, '12 by nursel56 GuideQuote from AltraThat's why we don't discard pills each and every time this happens in home care, too.I don't view this as irrational, erratic, or worthy of documentation. The patient is simply dulicating what would be common behavior at home. And ... please consider that the patient may very well be worried about the cost of being "double-charged" for 2 pills.
***Wouldn't the wording of "ate pills off floor" lead one to believe the person ate the pills directly off the floor? People do some strange things sometimes . . .Last edit by nursel56 on Oct 5, '12
2Oct 4, '12 by anon456, BSN, RNWhy would you document it? How is it pertinent to the patient's nursing diagnosis, plan of care, or response to treatment?
It's a patient safety issue and an education issue. Just like I document if I see a patient's mom not using sterile technique when suctioning her kids' trach or cathing her kid. We get this kind of thing a lot with our chronic total care kids that come in and parents want to participate in care like they do at home. The worst thing I ever saw was a mom bite a pill in half, crush the other half and put it down kid's gtube. Even with education sometimes the parents do things that absolutely have to be documented. If the kid gets an infection we don't want to be blamed for it but I will continue to educate until I know they understand.Last edit by anon456 on Oct 4, '12
1Oct 4, '12 by mariebailey, MSN, RN5 second rule! Kidding. I would document even though she crawled on the floor and took them despite your effort to prevent it. If she ever brings up swallowing pills that were dropped on the floor to another provider, you have documentation that you advised against taking them and offered an alternative.
2Oct 4, '12 by smurfynurseyWhat I do in practice (offer the pt. another round of meds) and what I do for myself are different things. I would have done exactly as the OP did, and may have charted it.
As for me and my house, we observe the 5 second rule when it comes to medications.
Speaking as someone who has no insurance, I would not be happy if I had to pay for another set of pills if they appeared clean.Last edit by smurfynursey on Oct 4, '12 : Reason: addition
2Oct 4, '12 by FLmedQuote from hiddencatRNThis narrative made me giggle. Lol
We have a place to chart narratives everywhere I've worked. "Patient updated on plan of care, given meal tray, ate pills off floor at own insistence. Family at bedside."
1Oct 4, '12 by FLmedQuote from woohLol!!!!!! I'm laughing so hard. Don't forget to add in there that patient was able to teach back what you told them.This is now my new favorite thread.
My note would then continue: "Educated patient that she should not continue to eat pills off of the floor. Informed patient that nursing staff would not purposefully administer oral meds via the floor. Patient voiced understanding. Educated patient to not lick doorknobs. Informed her of the risk of mouth MRSA. Patient also educated not to lick faucets, toilets or friends' oozing pustules. Continued to educate patient on the risks of mouth MRSA. Informed patient that after touching friends' oozing pustules that she should wash her hands prior to putting fingers in mouth. Informed patient regarding hospital policy to deliver meals on trays rather than on floor. Patient will likely need further education regarding risk of mouth MRSA. At this time, patient does not appear to be open to education on mouth MSSA. Hospital system approved "Things to not lick while you're in the hospital!" handout provided to patient with relevant passages highlighted. Patient voices ability to read. Encouraged patient to request assistance as needed for avoiding inadvertent tongue to doorknob, toilet, floor, faucet contact."
(For the record, I'm completely undecided if I would chart patient insisting on taking pills that fell on the floor or not. Probably would depend on my mood that day.)
3Oct 4, '12 by woohWhat makes this one of the greatest threads ever on AN? Both funny AND informative with a good nursing debate!
Quote from RNsRWeIt sounds like that pink gel stuff that was in hamburger. Can you get mouth MRSA from eating BPCT off the floor? Will have to add that to the education. Perhaps it could be part of our welcome packet!BPCT: The Other White Meat.
Quote from nursel56I assumed they were licked up. Were they not?Wouldn't the wording of "ate pills off floor" lead one to believe the person ate the pills directly off the floor? People do some strange things sometimes . . .
Quote from anon456Oh, that's nothing. Pancreatic enzymes don't easily go through a g-tube. No matter how much apple sauce you mix them with. I've seen MULTIPLE parents of multiple kids that when it clogs, stick their mouth on the tube and suck to get things moving again. I'm always of the opinion that if it works, and they don't expect ME to do the same, they can suck all they want.
The worst thing I ever saw was a mom bite a pill in half, crush the other half and put it down kid's gtube.
2Oct 4, '12 by cougdogrnI would have offered to get her new pills and if she declined and wanted to eat them off the floor...fine by me! I would not have documented it anywhere and I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought.