Be very Careful about considering Excelsior's Online ADN program...

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Be very careful before you sign up for the Excelsior program if you plan on working in a major metropolitan hospital or even a larger hospital in a rural area.

I know of two people here in Colorado that have had problems with their Excelsior education. One spent over $5,000, passed the Colorado NCLEX and has found that major hospitals will not hire her because of the lack of additional clinical hours and real-time instruction. The second stopped taking the course after spending more than $3,000 after finding out the same information.

I signed up last April and immediately after had the RN that had taught my CNA class the year before tell me that many hospitals have problems with these types of degrees. I had already bought a bunch of books, but basically left it where it stood thinking I could always get my money back. Boy was I wrong.

I was using the istudysmart.com system to get some of the classes out of the way for Excelsior and when I wanted to get a refund, I was shocked at what I heard. If you do not request a refund within 3 days of signing up, you're out of luck. No refunds period. Am I glad I only spent $800 plus another $200 on books.

So...my advice is to try and get into the second year of an ADN program at a community college if you're an LPN (which in most states has a very small waiting list as compared to entering into it in the first year). If you're a CMA, Paramedic or whatever Excelsior currently says qualifies you for the RN-ADN program, do what it takes to get into a real-time, nursing school. I have heard three stories besides my own now and would council anyone seeking to become a nurse to seek other options than online programs. It may take me longer, but it will be better in the long run.

It depends on you. I was a Medic when I started - and it took me 9 months. It would have been less, but I got married in the middle of it, and took 3 months off.

Chip

For someone finishing an LVN program, how long should they work before they are ready to enroll in the EC program? What is your advice?

For someone finishing an LVN program, how long should they work before they are ready to enroll in the EC program? What is your advice?

To answer your first question about how long it takes to complete an ADN via EC, it varies by individual. I took my science classes (A&P, Microbiology, etc.) the tradtional college route and that will take longer than challenging the EC science exams. Then I dragged my feet for two years after being eligible to take the clinical exam, something I'm not proud of but I state publicly here in case anyone else is in the same boat. I was so afraid of failing the CPNE that I put it off for two years and guess what, I passed it the first time around and probably would have been an RN a lot sooner had I tried the exam sooner.

As for your question about how long an LVN should wait, I hate to be vague but the same thing applies, it depends on the individual.

My best advice= Get an LVN job in a non-specialized regular Med/Surg acute care setting that takes patients who have a variety of problems, again not a specialty floor. If you can get some peds experience somewhere along the way, that helps even more because the clinical exam (where most fail in the program) is based on these types of patients. Do this for a good year while you take your classes and the EC exams and you probably will do well on the CPNE.

On the other hand, I know grads who completed the entire program in 6 months and I also had students in my group who only worked in LTC and stilll passed (their second time around, I do not recommend LTC as good experience for EC)

My best advice= Get an LVN job in a non-specialized regular Med/Surg acute care setting that takes patients who have a variety of problems, again not a specialty floor.

I do not recommend LTC as good experience for EC

Interesting that you mention this. I conducted my own little informal survey at recent job fair at my school, where I talked to recruiters from a dozen hospitals. Most of them agreed that acute care LVN's who went through EC were fine. But outside of that, there were problems, even with some LTC LVN's.

Maybe the question of hiring versus not hiring EC grads comes down to the individual EC students' backgrounds. If what these recruiters told me is any indication, they did hire EC grads, but mostly LVN's with acute care experience. One recruiter said she did hire an EMT whom she had known for a long time, but EC didn't provide enough RN training and she had to let him go.

Of course, all of this happened before the California BORN decision. I only mention it because it may shed some light on the conflicting reports regarding hospital hiring practices. Maybe it all boils down to each hospital's individual experiences with EC grads. Maybe they hire some grads, but not others. And maybe a lot of it depends upon the individual student and their relationship with the hospital.

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Specializes in Outpatient/Clinic, ClinDoc.

I did my LVN-RN through EC in six months. :p Hey, what can I say, I was in a hurry. :)

It's been 15 years and no one has ever said word one to me about my choice of schools..and I'm in California. New grads may have a different situation, of course.

You obviously don't know the program because I have done nothing "online" I take my tests at a testing center that is far more monitored that any college I have been to and I live in Washington that make you do 200 clinical hours for the Excelsior program with a preceptor. I don't know why people who know nothing about the program say "online." Yes, thay have a web site but so do all other colleges. I think it take someone who is well disaplined and motivated to take classes on their own. Online is very misleading, why do you think it is online? I do nothing online except read these posts to get others views. I have books and study guides that I study from and then go and take a test. A very difficult one at that witout any instruction except expierence at work. Now, who's the smart one here. This is a way for people for finishe school while working and not having their who life revolve around a school's clock. You might want nto know what you are talking about if you are going to put down a program that is not online!!!!No harm intended but I get sick of people stating "online" There is nothing online about it. By the way, community colleges and universities have lots of actual online classes. It's the new world!

I agree.

I cannot believe people are allowed to learn nursing online, it just doesn't seem right to me. (Sorry if this upsets anyone, it is just my opinion)

about how long did it take to complete EC's program and what were the pre req's?

about how long did it take to complete EC's program and what were the pre req's?

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Hi, I have very successfully taken the Escelsior College ADN Program and fully intend on continuing for my BSN/MSN RN.

The only requirement is being an LPN or EMT. Actually, if you've been a recent LPN grad, there is a concept course that is now dropped and I believe it is Concepts 2.

Your best bet is to just take a moment an browse the website.

Being the mother of 3 and a working LPN for 18 years at the time I had started the program, it truely was the best decision I could have made!!!

The website is EXCELSIOR.EDU

BEST OF LUCK!!!!

Specializes in Medical-Surgical, Education, Community Health.

Hi All,

I too was planning on taking the LVN to RN program with Excelsior-- until now. I've been debating on it because of fears of places not wanting to hire Excelsior grads. I don't doubt Excelsior offers a great RN program-- I just wish more people would be more open-minded about the whole thing. That's why I've chosen to do a traditional LVN to RN program here in Texas. I just don't want to run into problems down the road.

Dave

I have heard some success stories about Excelsior...I have even heard of some bad stories... Everyone's situation is different, but I do know that my friend is taking this program and she is having a hard time getting hired on because of the program.... How nerve wrecking...

Hi, I am a military wife and was planning to take the excelsior program for RN after I get my LPN and am just wondering if there is a list somewhere of the states that are OK with excelsior grads? It would be really helpful and I haven't been able to find a list online.

Thanks!:nurse:

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Hi, I am a military wife and was planning to take the excelsior program for RN after I get my LPN and am just wondering if there is a list somewhere of the states that are OK with excelsior grads? It would be really helpful and I haven't been able to find a list online.

Thanks!:nurse:

Moved to the distant learning forum

Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.
Hi, I am a military wife and was planning to take the excelsior program for RN after I get my LPN and am just wondering if there is a list somewhere of the states that are OK with excelsior grads? It would be really helpful and I haven't been able to find a list online.

Thanks!:nurse:

https://www.excelsior.edu/Excelsior_College/School_Of_Nursing/Accreditation_and_Licensure/State_Board_Requirements

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