Catholic Nurse Sues Duke University Hospital After Refusing to Assist with Abortions - page 7

Sara Pedro, a Catholic nurse, moved from New York City in August 2016 to take a job at Duke University Hospital. Soon after she began work at Duke, Sara asked for and got an exemption from receiving... Read More

  1. by   kimandthekinks
    I want to know why there is probably a nurse grad out there who doesn't have a job but a nurse who can't even perform all of her duties is suing a hospital after being blessed with a job to care for the community as a "religious" person. This woman is despicable.
  2. by   kdkout
    Quote from TriciaJ
    My thoughts exactly. This smells like a cash grab.
    Yes, I totally agree. This makes me mad, actually. I was in the same boat - not told as a brand new OB nurse at a non-Catholic hospital that I'd have to assist with terminations. Nobody told me; was forced to assist on one long after orientation was over. I did or "patient abandonment," so I spoke to my supervisor to find out if I could legally get out of it. My supervisor admitted to lying about it at my interview (withheld the info, on purpose), it was "part of my job duties," people can trade patients with me but they dont have to, so I quit. Then at any future OB jobs at the interview I would ask about the policy re: terminations - so if they did them, could I have an exemption, if so, can I get it in writing.
    You bring it up before accepting a new job. She had to know as an ED nurse, that she'd be giving vaccinations and giving contraceptives. Maybe she didnt realize the abortion issue would come up....but all three issues? Come on. I smell a rat. This is asking for a ridiculous amt of 'accommodation.'
  3. by   saongiri
    I am still confused why an ED nurse would be assisting with an abortion?
  4. by   kimandthekinks
    Could have been an emergency abortion?
  5. by   klone
    Quote from saongiri
    I am still confused why an ED nurse would be assisting with an abortion?
    As I mentioned a few times earlier in this thread, she wouldn't be assisting with an abortion. She might assist with giving methotrexate for an ectopic pregnancy, or giving emergency contraception to a woman after an assault.

    I suspect, in her Catholic mind, she considers those "abortions" even though they're not.
  6. by   klone
    Quote from kimandthekinks
    Could have been an emergency abortion?
    They don't do abortions in the ED. It's a surgical procedure. Unless it's a medical abortion, in which case it would be done through her primary care provider or an abortion provider with medication that she would take at home.
  7. by   kimandthekinks
    You're right. How did I miss that fact. Perhaps she has a broad and false definition of abortion due to her religion.
  8. by   NICUMurse87
    I've been Catholic for 30 years, 12 years of Catholic school, and have never heard of vaccines being against our religion. The abortion stuff makes sense, but even then, maybe work in an area of nursing where that won't be an issue?
  9. by   tuzla1225
    omg what a bunch of baloney
  10. by   hppygr8ful
    So I read this thread and wondered why I, as a practicing Catholic had never heard about any restriction with regard to vaccines. So I went looking. This is what I found. Apparently there are several vaccines that are cultured in cells of aborted fetal tissue. The question has been debated as to weather Catholics in good faith can receive those vaccines. The vaccines currently cultered and manufactured by the process are:

    U.S. approved vaccines from aborted cell line are

    Adenovirus by Barr Labs., Inc cel line WI-38
    Chickenpox, Varivax by Merck & Co. cel line MRC-5 & WI-38
    Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Pentacel by Sanofi Pasteur cel line MRC-5
    Hepatitis A, Havrix by GlaxoSmithKline cel line MRC-5
    Hepatitis A Vaqta by Merck & Co. cel line MRC-5
    Hepatitis A-B, Twinrix by GlaxoSmithKline cel line MRC-5
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella, MMR II by Merck & Co. cel line WI-38
    Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox
    Rabies, Imovax by Sanofi Pasteur MRC-5
    Shingles, Zostavax by Merck & Co.cel line MRC-5

    *U.S. approved alternative vaccines
    Diphtheria, Tetanus & Pertussis, Daptacel/Adacel Sanofi Pasteur
    Hepatitis B
    ENGERIX-B by GlaxoSmithKline
    Hepatitis B, RecombivaxHB by Merck & Co.
    Hepatitis B & HIB, COMVAX by Merck & Co.
    Polio, IPOL by Sanofi Pasteur
    Rabies, RabAvert by Novartis

    The Catholic church recommends whenever possible that devout Catholics who wish to practice their faith should avoid vaccines cultured from aborted fetal tissue however they have not forbidden it.

    "The church has urged the faithful to push for the development of morally acceptable vaccines, but in the absence of such alternatives, has said Catholics must not reject immunizations and "sacrifice the common good of public health" or their children's well-being."

    Catholics urged to remember 'common good' in vaccine debate | National Catholic Reporter

    There is also a lengthy Vatican statement on this dilemma which basically says the same thing.
    Vatican Statement on Vaccines Derived* From Aborted Human Fetuses

    In other words The Church does not forbid persons to receive vaccines made from aborted fetal tissue.

    Hppy
    Last edit by hppygr8ful on Nov 22, '17 : Reason: spelling
  11. by   hppygr8ful
    Quote from NutmeggeRN
    They are not. Neither is vaccine administration, except maybe a tetanus booster.
    No tetanus is not on the list of vaccines made from aborted fetal tissue.

    Hppy
  12. by   LovingLife123
    I'm a practicing Catholic as well and have never heard of the vaccine thing. I also worked for a Catholic hospital my first year and we gave vaccines. I need rubella vaccine after my last child was born 3 years ago. I delivered at another catholic hospital system where it was offered and administered as well.

    As far as birth control, abortion, and plan B go, I'm pretty conservative on that. Meaning for myself. I do natural family planning method of birth control. I chart my cycles every month. It's worked for us with three children. Technically, if you are and old school hard core Catholic, you only have sex for procreation. I guess I like sex too much!!!

    As far as plan B goes, I would not take it as I believe even if it hasn't implanted, it's still the possibility of a life. But, I would never not administer it to a patient who needs it. I couldn't imagine having just been sexually assaulted, and not being given medication to prevent a pregnancy.

    I don't view removing ectopic pregnancies as abortion and would most certainly assist in it. My best friend, who is also a practicing Catholic, her daughter has had 3 in a year. Her life was saved and so were her tubes so she could have children down the road. Not sure where being a Catholic means you refuse reproductive medicine. Anectopic pregnancy is never a viable pregnancy. The mother dying from blood loss serves no point.

    I would not participate in an elective abortion. But, I would not apply for a job where that was a possibility. And if I was planning to apply to a non catholic hospital system I would most certainly research the possibility of it occurring. As far as medicine that induces the termination of a pregnancy, it is most often given to terminate non viable pregnancies. Often it's not given in the ER unless emergent. Women are often prescribed it to take at home. They then follow up with their OBs. You are not killing a fetus that's not viable.

    This woman set Duke up for a lawsuit. Claiming PTSD is a slap in the face for those that actually have it.

    A 32 year Catholic. I also don't believe God magically makes you pass NCLEX!! Haaaa!!! I've been called names on here for saying that one. And while my faith has tested me at times, I believe. And most of the beliefs Catholicism teaches.
  13. by   heron
    Quote from LovingLife123
    I'm a practicing Catholic as well and have never heard of the vaccine thing. I also worked for a Catholic hospital my first year and we gave vaccines. I need rubella vaccine after my last child was born 3 years ago. I delivered at another catholic hospital system where it was offered and administered as well.

    As far as birth control, abortion, and plan B go, I'm pretty conservative on that. Meaning for myself. I do natural family planning method of birth control. I chart my cycles every month. It's worked for us with three children. Technically, if you are and old school hard core Catholic, you only have sex for procreation. I guess I like sex too much!!!

    As far as plan B goes, I would not take it as I believe even if it hasn't implanted, it's still the possibility of a life. But, I would never not administer it to a patient who needs it. I couldn't imagine having just been sexually assaulted, and not being given medication to prevent a pregnancy.

    I don't view removing ectopic pregnancies as abortion and would most certainly assist in it. My best friend, who is also a practicing Catholic, her daughter has had 3 in a year. Her life was saved and so were her tubes so she could have children down the road. Not sure where being a Catholic means you refuse reproductive medicine. Anectopic pregnancy is never a viable pregnancy. The mother dying from blood loss serves no point.

    I would not participate in an elective abortion. But, I would not apply for a job where that was a possibility. And if I was planning to apply to a non catholic hospital system I would most certainly research the possibility of it occurring. As far as medicine that induces the termination of a pregnancy, it is most often given to terminate non viable pregnancies. Often it's not given in the ER unless emergent. Women are often prescribed it to take at home. They then follow up with their OBs. You are not killing a fetus that's not viable.

    This woman set Duke up for a lawsuit. Claiming PTSD is a slap in the face for those that actually have it.

    A 32 year Catholic. I also don't believe God magically makes you pass NCLEX!! Haaaa!!! I've been called names on here for saying that one. And while my faith has tested me at times, I believe. And most of the beliefs Catholicism teaches.
    The best articulation of "pro-life" (as opposed to forced pregnancy) I've seen yet.

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