Two VERY low ball job offers in the last month...(management and leadership!) - page 4
by SweettartRN 11,763 Views | 44 Comments
Ok, a little background. I have my background in management which is what I did before I became a nurse. I now have five years nursing experience as well as my ASN, BSN, and my MSN. I have been interviewing for jobs in... Read More
- 6Mar 18, '13 by joanna73 Guide"You'll leave it for the ADN nurses to pick up the crumbs."
Wow, that's pretty harsh, especially since many of our members who frequent these boards are ADN prepared nurses.
Sorry, OP, but with no solid nursing management experience, you're one of many MSN prepared nurses. You may need to accept an offer that doesn't appeal to you in order to get where you want to be.
- 3Mar 18, '13 by Esme12 Senior ModeratorUnfortunately...the market drives the price and the market is saturated. In nursing.....your previous management experience will give you an advantage over someone else.....it will not count for Salary as experienced NURSING management.
OP, you have applied outside the hospital setting at 2 staffing agencies...one being a start up. Nursing management/administration really don't weigh your salary requirements very highly....to be honest, they just simply don't care.
I am sorry you were insulted by the financial offers by these companies, in a time where the unemployment rates amongst nurses are the highest they have ever been...at least in my memory. If your area is paying new grads (I know you specified ASN grads but ASN/BSN are paid the same) minimum wage it tells me your area is hard it and it stands to reason your management position OUTSIDE of the hospital is < or = $55,000.
You might have 5 years experience in this profession as a bedside nurse....in nursing that does not translate over to management positions. Your management experience gave you an edge to be offered the position ......but will not apply to salary. Nursing is it's own breed. I am sure they had BSN candidates with more management experience and experience in general but they would have to pay them more.
They saw a "new" nurse with a masters and thought you'd understand that as a new nurse....they were giving you an amazing opportunity and you should be grateful that they offered you a position. I know the way they think......They think You should be grateful that such a new nurse, you, is given this amazing opportunity.....I am sure they feel they were generous. I am curious...what is the median income in your area and is that up or down from previous years?
You might be paid more if you had a position the acute care arena....but not much more as management feels, you only have 5 years experience. Is it fair that they don't consider your previous management experience? I don't know....but I know that, in my 34 years experience at least, in what you are paid it doesn't count....most of the time.
I am sure you paid good money for you MSN and the ADN paid good money for theirs...grant it you paid more over all but that doesn't mean anyone is less valued than another.
OP I wish you the best.Last edit by Esme12 on Mar 18, '13
- 1Mar 18, '13 by uRNmywayQuote from SweettartRNDream on.
I have a MSN that I paid good money for that I am not going to let it go to waste. I'll leave it for the ADN nurses to pick up the crumbs.
Wow OP...you might want to get a check on that attitude...
ADN nurses to 'pick up the crumbs'? Just...wow...
Seriously, a part of me hopes that someone with a 'measly' ADN gets all these high-paying jobs you are hoping for, just because you made such a disparaging comment about them...
All of us nurses, from CNA's to APN's, have a very important role in patient care, and NONE of us deserve to be condescended to the way you did.Last edit by uRNmyway on Mar 18, '13
- 3Mar 18, '13 by missladyrnOk, I am guessing it was the attitude that got the low ball offer, not the degree. Sometimes when you walk in off the street with a sense of unearned entitlement, your offer may reflect that. Hiring managers take note of that.
MissladyRN- ADN, BSN and currently working on an MSN. But I know where I came from and I know where I am going. I also know who helped me get there and who helps me each and every shift. The letters after your name don't make you a better nurse we have all seen examples of that.
- 1Mar 18, '13 by Esme12 Senior ModeratorSomething we all need to remember.......Allnurses promotes the idea of lively debate. This means we are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. The first priority is to the members that come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks.
We can all agree to disagree without being disagreeable. We can disagree and remain polite.
- 0Mar 20, '13 by GchrI have to agree with the comment made earlier by Jeweles26, your attitude needs to be adjusted SweettartRN. Sorry, but no need to sugar coat it.
If you are really as good as you say you are, why not consider the job as long as you have an understanding that if you grow the business you get additional compensation in relationship to its growth. A win for you and the employer.
I have owned a number of businesses and tried to pay people for what they were worth. If they wanted a raise, I told them to make themselves more valuable to the company. Some did, and I gladly paid them more. Others did not and simply wanted a raise for the sake of having one.
While both the hospital and home health company are a business and profit driven, I believe home health is a more revenue driven than the hospital as they cannot rely on funds such as the latter (e.g. tax dollars, donations, grants). Simply if you want more money, go out and generate more revenue for the company. I cannot imagine that if you were to accept the job at the current salary level AND have an agreement to get more compensation for additional revenue growth that the company would not be willing to accept this offer. Otherwise, there is no incentive for you or the company to grow. If that is the case, run as fast as you can away from them as obviously they will not be in business too long.
- 2Mar 20, '13 by billyboblewisI work as a nite supervisor/case manager with title nurse consultant. I get salary of 50k, no overtime and am expectect to worik about 84 hours a 2 week pay period. Since there is no chance of pay increase I do only the minimum possible and do not go out of the way for this alleged non profit organization I work for. Home health and staffing are not leaders in salary an often owned by private individuals. A staffing job would be the least stressful and a good deal at that salary. If you are looking forward to a higher salary as a don/adon you are looking into a real mess as your work will often be 16 hour days and if something goes wrong the blame will generally be placed on you and solved by firing you. Good luck
- 0Mar 20, '13 by noc4senufTypically, home health and assisted living pay less than a SNF. A hospital pays more than a SNF. It all comes down to the reimbursements to the different types of facilities. Five years as a nurse is not going to be looked at for a high paying management role even with other management experience in another field. From experience, they would start looking at around 10 years experience in nursing.
- 2Mar 20, '13 by ppfdDon't know where your at, New grads around me make $19.00 to $23.00.
I make near what the OP was offered working EMS 2 24 hour shifts a week. I left my last ED job as it was costing me money to work there.
Quote from crazy&cuteRNI totally agree. Well said. OP, I'm not sure where you live but I don't know any new grad that makes "17-18/hr. Please don't be offended that some of us with ADNs make MORE than you. Five years is great experience but not sure if they would quailify you for more money. There are others with way more experience than you making what you were offered.
So my advice, is to take it or leave it.
- 3Mar 24, '13 by beekerI am appalled at what you wrote about ADNs . If that is how you truly feel, you probably have no business being in a management position. If one place offered you a low offer I'd say keep looking, but since it was two, I'd say it might be you. See what you can do to make yourself a better candidate. You need nursing management experience in addition to an attitude adjustment.