Philippines News August 30-Sept5 issue

caloy · Sep 8, 2006

I'm sorry, but it seems that someone is being unfair towards kalayaan. All she's saying is that the requirements of the diff US BON might change and they might require the phil NLE in future. It is a possibility, after what happened in the june board. There are also hospitals here in the US that also want the nurses from the phils to take the phil board. In fact, i know someone who plans to get the NLE bec the hosp requires it (even if he passed nclex already).

As of the other information written,

1. You would NOT be sure if you passed the nclex at question #75, even the nclex guides would tell you that. It would take an arrogant person to say that he is sure he passed at #75. And it is NOT random, there is a system to it. That's the reason a person would find himself answering a lot of questions in topics he's not really good in.

2. Yes, there are some subjective questions in the NLE; but i would not say mostly (implying more than 50%). Otherwise, you would have heard complaints from earlier examinees (reason: large numbers would fail the exams because you can not grade adequately a "subjective" exam of this scope)

3. It would be nice to think that the Philippines hold great options for us. But the fact remains that it does not. If it did, how could you explain the fact that the vast majority of filipinos in this forum give so much effort in pursuing their american dream? (Also, Correct me if wrong, but the "neighboring asian countries" have lower salaries and working conditions)

4. In all nle prior to the june boards, you must pass all 5 parts. If you fail even one part, you repeat that part of the exam. Passing less than 5 is not enough. Why, because each part has its own purpose/ focus. Otherwise, why divide it into 5 parts? If we follow that reasoning, the people who do not have their license because they failed one part of the nle should be automatically given their license. The only reason why some parts were not considered was because of the leakage.

5. I'm sorry. but "have to do research and profiling of the BON members before they were BON members". Don't you think that's a wee bit of an exageration? (Don't mean to brag, but I took the nle in 2005; and me and a lot of my friends got scores in the 80s. We don't even know the names of the BON members). And if you read the forums, there are even those who did not join review centers. It's about what you learned in the 4 years of nursing.

Don't get me wrong. I have friends who took the june 2006 boards. And it is unfair for the june boardtakers, no doubt. But please be careful of what you write and don't attack the people who want to express their opinion or give advice.

I'm sorry. I just had to say something. Don't mean to offend

whammy78 · Sep 8, 2006

:uhoh21:

crash_burn · Sep 8, 2006

what matter is you passed your nclex to be considered to work in the us as nurse...what's the used of being a local board passer if your not a usrn......hhhhmmmm......:smiley_ab

mahoogie · Sep 9, 2006

Just hope and pray that US will be constantly open for foreign nurses..There is a nursing shortage in US but immigration laws and policies always changes, its unpredictable, with the greencard visa running out of numbers and the threat of terrorism-these make migration much harder..and recently, UK began closing its door for Filipino nurses, much worse, they sending some Filipino nurses back in the Philippines after their contract ends..and there would be a Retrogression this October, meaning, US greencard visa processiong would be freeze...

kathD_RN · Sep 11, 2006

. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF NLEX ANYWAY? to be qualified working in states ryt? so what the heck are they complaining about the NLE leak?

Tagalog is not allowed in this forum per Terms of Service (TOS).

Thank you.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/allnurses-com-terms-service-welcome-all-members-please-read-31788.html

suzanne4, RN · Sep 11, 2006

. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF NLEX ANYWAY? to be qualified working in states ryt? so what the heck are they complaining about the NLE leak?
Tagalog is not allowed in this forum per Terms of Service (TOS).
Thank you.
https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/allnurses-com-terms-service-welcome-all-members-please-read-31788.html

There is much more to the leak with the NLE. There has also been issues with the CGFNS exam, the NCLEX exam, as well as the IELTS certification.

If there are issues with cheating, it affects others and it has. As well as the purchasing of RN Diplomas and that is happening as well. Have actually worked with a few that have done that, and they are no longer working, have been removed from their positions, hopefully are on their way back home. So there is alot more going on then you are even aware of.

Dush · Sep 11, 2006

would you assume that, since it would be difficult to identify who did & did not cheat, all of them are cheats?

kalayaan · Sep 12, 2006

Btw Kalayaan, America is not the only lucrative place to go. The Philippines has just recently open its door to many opportunities. You just have to look around and use your resources. The neighboring asian countries with their booming economies are all prospects... even the rich oil countries in the middle east are prospects...
Maybe I would just stay here and invite my well off classmates to invest in a nursing home somewhere in Boracay
If we can not go abroad... then why don't we bring the pie here... just a thought.

take time to go through this thread and youll see that this one focuses primarily on the Dean's write-up and also includes the issues on the 2006 june nle. even suzanne included it in the discussion.

filipinos dont know when to stop and when to keep figthing. i felt sorry for those that took the last local exam. but i feel more sorry for those that just dont get it. and fortunately, i didnt take the last nle.

whammy, let me remind you that the statements i have posted here, and in other forums, are not inteded solely for you, or to whomever ive replied to, but for the benefit of those reading them. all ive written here are straighforward, practical solutions to this controversy. filipinos are not used to frank responses, and i do hope u appreciate my honest opinion of what should be done. and if you dont like them, please feel free to give a concrete, truly viable option that will allow the june nle takers to take the nclex and work here. declaring the exams valid will not work in the US, bec for the moment they still consider it invalid. and other countries may think the same way.

whammy, tell us why you took up nursing? was it to be a caring nurse in the phil? bravo to u if yes. America may not be the only lucrative place to go, but its where most pinoys want to be. tell me if it never occured to u to work here? i simply posted a remark to benefit all those that wanted to come here. dont take it personally. and the philippines is truly beautiful, despite the crippling corruption. i never said otherwise.

and whammy, dont take posts from other unrelated threads and post them here just to make a point. but for my information, tell me where in the website can i find the exact answer to the question i posted.

everyone, lets maintain an intelligent forum in a cool atmosphere. several threads have been deleted simply bec people were getting at each others throats. and this topic is on the verge of being closed and deleted. we have exhausted all types of opinions on this topic. it already happened.

the only thing good right now is to discuss how this can be solved.

tantrum · Sep 12, 2006

At this point, any discussion will not bring a solution as it is pending in the courts. It's not even in the Supreme Court but the Court of Appeals, which means it might take more than a year to see any resolution. If both sides are very insistent on their rights, they can take any exam they want. However, even if you were able to get an ATT for the NCLEX, other problems will still be there when it comes to the visa screen where you need a hard license to verify. With retrogression coming, this will put more setbacks for everybody until they make more visas available, hopefully next year.

whammy78 · Sep 13, 2006

:roll

corrupted_caregiver · Sep 13, 2006

Good thing I took up philosophy and logic classes in my UP days. har har

I think whammy has a bit of a point there. You cannot really understand a person who have experienced a situation without undergoing the same experience. I mean, if you will talk to a person who has lost a loved one, and say "I know, I understand" when you did not even had experienced a death of a close relative is pure perception. The same goes with the NLE. If kalayaan did not took the same exam (lucky), then he or she cannot fathom the minds and hearts of those who took and passed it cleanly. There are a lot of bottled up emotions for us over here. That is why you can just go through, and draw the line as to the best way to be taken. Yes, I do agree that there must be a retake. And as you say, ASAP. But a lot of people who passed are reluctant, even disagree with that. As I said, emotions cloud the thoughts. And because you in the first place are devoid of the emotion wrecking feeling of the NLE, then you must understand what we are going through. A cool and civil conversation is needed. Yes. But flare ups cannot be avoided. This is an emotional thing. A life and death situation at that. So, kalayaan, your point taken. But you need to zip that fingers after that if you don't understand my post.:wink2: peace.

To those who passed and are reluctant to take the test this december because it might also be problematic, I understand your feelings. I also didn't apply for a retake because I'm still waiting for issues to develop. I personally, may have to wait for a year, or if this will be a trouble free december NLE, then I'll take it right there. Or if the courts decided before december, that would be great. But all I have to do is wait.

I've been invited to a lot of forums but I declined. I've seen it. Experienced it. And kinda hate it. I mean, we all talk our hearts out for possible solutions, short or long term. Then after the forum, it's gone again, like water turning to vapor. I've save my precious saliva by teaching nursing concepts instead.

We can't dictate what to do. Like the dean of UP. Or the dean of FEU. They have all their positions. And have expressed it to the authorities. But what happened since that? Nothing.

If you are dreaming to overhaul the system, dream on. I dreamt of the same thing. It will take you a thousand lifetimes to do that. I mean, look at Jose Rizal. He's a great guy. Philippines is great. Just don't look at the mirror and ignore the rumbling of your stomach.

I have 2 kinds and a wife. I have a family. I'm 24. I took nursing because there might be something in it for me as my Pastor dad discouraged me to take also the same calling. So I think God put me into this profession with a sole purpose of providing quality nursing care to people. I have a lot here on my shoulders friend.

So I don't expect somebody to understand the emotions in my situation. I just need somebody to understand my thoughts as my PHILO classes in UP taught me to separate emotions from rationale thoughts.

That's it. ANother day has passed. Retake asap? I can do it. Vote me for president of the philippines. But as of now, all I need to do is wait.

lawrence01 · Sep 13, 2006

let's try to maintain everything friendly and civil here guys.

friendly debates and exchange of opinions is ok as long as everyone doesn't take it personally.

hope to not close this thread if things heats up.