When is it appropriate to share faith at work?: One nurse's story - page 4

As nurses, we wear many hats. To name a few: we are caregivers, providers, assessors, comforters, encouragers, teachers, an ear to listen. Are we to be evangelists or preachers? In my opinion, no... Read More

  1. Visit  Sadala profile page
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    I think that your light should shine through your actions and through your comportment. Words are just... words.

    And words of a religious nature, should not, in my opinion, be initiated by the healthcare provider.
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  2. Visit  windsurfer8 profile page
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    What is my attitude towards christians or any other religion? I could care less if you believe in God, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, or no one. I do not care. What I said was do not push your crap on me if I am a patient. That is all. And if you do I will report the nurse for inappropriate and unprofessional behavior. NO where do I say anything bad about christians. That is my point. What I love about this country is we can believe whatever we want. You can pray or not pray. Makes zero difference to me. If I am a patient I want to hear about evidence based care and what my labs are. I do not want to listen to someone telling me I am going to hell or not and if I do, I will report them. If another patient wants to hear that then that is their business. Get it? Got it? Understand it? Quit feeling sorry for yourselves because I don't want to listen to your religious whatever.
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  3. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Leslie, why do you get so offended by my posts? First of all, in your quote, you've removed John 3:16. Was this intentional?

    I said my conversation would be to a "Christian". A Christian is anyone who believes that Christ was the Son of God. I NEVER said I would tell anyone that they will experience the wrath of God. Especially not in the workplace. I simply said that if I were talking to another "Christian". In another post of mine on this thread I was emphatic about NOT sharing the gospel to ANYONE in the workplace, unless asked. In my opinion, I think it's okay to have a discussion, if one is asked.

    You said that you don't share your beliefs, even if asked, but you certainly shared your "belief" about not believing in God's wrath. Seriously? You said in your post that "at these times, that i would share my (non-denominational and spiritual) beliefs...", but then you go on to say, other than to try and comfort those who were suffering, i have never shared my beliefs..."

    I apologize, but I will always defend my posts. I mean no harm.

    So, if I had a dying patient, who was a Christian and they asked me about eternal life or God's wrath (yes, many Christians are frghtened about God's wrath and they shouldn't be) I would simply, in a humbled manner, tell them not to worry, because by believing in Christ, as the Son of God, they will live for eternity and that they don't have to worry about God's wrath.

    Nowhere in my post did I say I would ever tell anyone that they are appointed to God's wrath. I would only have this conversation with a patient who simply asked me and of course, it was established that they are a Christian.

    I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what I said to have offended you. You're making me feel bad, because you seem to have taken my post out of context.
    I think the point trying to be made here is that it is about the patients needs and NOT your faith. Patients will confide in you, trust you, tell you things they have never told a soul...but that does not mean you should minister to them.

    I am christian....but of the byzantine catholic/orthodox Greek belief....you may pray for me but not over me. I would not want to hear scripture quoted without a specific request. I believe that this is a very demographic thing to certain culture in areas....but the patient is to be thought of first. It is about them not you. I think scripture shold be left to the clergy....call them.

    Nurses are to hold hands and comfort. Passively listen and comfort. It is ALL about what the patient needs and if that is a Wiccan ceremony then so be it. It is not for me to judge nor is it for me to impose....but it is for me to give them the peace they seek in their way.
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  4. Visit  MrsStudentNurse profile page
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    You have me in tears. Happy tears! I agree 100% on if they start it, I'll discuss. Thanks for sharing!
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  5. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    That's a really good question. I guess I would just avoid talking about afterlife, altogether. As much as I would LOVE to have a quiet conversation about the gospel, I know the workplace is just not the place, unless of course I knew my patient was a Christian and it was them who opened the conversation.

    So, I don't think I would talk to a non-Christian about afterlife. And if they asked me, well, I'm not sure. I'm still stuck in the banking world and my clients just don't ask those questions. Sure, I have clients who are Christians, but the conversation about the gospel has never come up, nor do I think it will within the next couple years I have left in this industry.

    Do you think it would be appropriate to tell a non-Christian who asks what I believe, to tell them what "I" believe? I only ask, because they would be the one asking. I'm not sure about this. There's no way I'm going through all these pre-reqs (with a pregnant wife), an accelerated BSN program, only to have someone try and get me terminated because they "think" my motivation is to preach the gospel. And I KNOW it could be misconstrued that way, so probably better to completely refrain from the conversation with all non-Christians.
    One thing I would suggest is to take a course in comparative religions. In order to minister to those of other faiths it will help you to understand other POV about religion v spirituality v ethical and moral behaviors. Some religions do not see a punishing God and see their religion as a moral compass. To be followed but the reward is the journey. Others see that reward is the end of life, as we know it. Still others believe we come back many times.

    Interestingly many Christians hold parts of these religions even though they are Christian. To me Christianity is a personal journey and no person can sit in judgement as to whether I am Christian enough to be considered a "believer". One thing that turns many of us off to many brands of Christianity is the judgmental nature as to what is right and wrong as a Christian.

    If someone comes to preach the gospel to me I would refuse them. Live the gospel, show me, don't tell me. May the hands devoted to comfort be the evidence of my beliefs.
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    One thing I would suggest is to take a course in comparative religions. In order to minister to those of other faiths it will help you to understand other POV about religion v spirituality v ethical and moral behaviors.
    Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not pursing nursing to "minister" to anyone. If a patient asks me about what I believe, I'll politely tell them. I don't need a comparative religion class to tell me how to minister to them.

    My faith is as simple as A-B-C. Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved! I don't need rituals, sacraments, traditions, ordinances, performance systems, etc. Why should I need all that when I have the Spirit of Christ living within me.

    There's no such thing as "Christian enough". Either you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior or you don't. Works don't bring anyone to salvation.

    8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    Right versus wrong? Well, if "all" our sins our forgiven for having believed in the Son of God, then what does Christianity say is wrong? It's "man" who creates all the rules and regulations, so that they can boast!
  7. Visit  FSUNurse2b profile page
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    Quote from Carley77
    You have me in tears. Happy tears! I agree 100% on if they start it, I'll discuss. Thanks for sharing!
    Amen!
  8. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    minister- To attend to the wants and needs of others: Volunteers ministered to the homeless after the flood. See synonyms at tend2.

    Read more: minister: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

    To minister is not the same a being a minister.

    As a Christian I do as Christ commanded: Love God and love each other. There is no limitation as to religion, sex, sexual orientation, race, creed or other factor.
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  9. Visit  FSUNurse2b profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    minister- To attend to the wants and needs of others: Volunteers ministered to the homeless after the flood. See synonyms at tend2.

    Read more: minister: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

    To minister is not the same a being a minister.

    As a Christian I do as Christ commanded: Love God and love each other. There is no limitation as to religion, sex, sexual orientation, race, creed or other factor.
    Oh, sorry. I was thinking you meant, "evangelizing". You are right on about loving God and each other. One of my favorite sayings of Christ, is an exchange between He and Martha:

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    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
    27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

    It is such a comforting passage
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  10. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    One thing I would suggest is to take a course in comparative religions. In order to minister to those of other faiths it will help you to understand other POV about religion v spirituality v ethical and moral behaviors. Some religions do not see a punishing God and see their religion as a moral compass. To be followed but the reward is the journey. Others see that reward is the end of life, as we know it. Still others believe we come back many times.
    i do wish this type of course was mandated in nsg school...
    as we deal with such a diverse population and even if some don't, it can only benefit ourselves in expanding our sensitivities to those we serve.
    that said, i am mystified by those who have absolutely no desire in learning or understanding anything other than what they personally believe.
    that type of attitude to me, speaks to the art of nursing or more specific, its lack...
    and would not result in attaining one's professional best.
    still...and again, i do think this type of sociological requirement would benefit the student and his/her prospective patients...
    whether the benefit is voluntary or inadvertent, remains to be seen.

    leslie
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  11. Visit  Liddle Noodnik profile page
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    Most of us, if not all, have had to take a course called 'spirituality in nursing' or some such. Our role is supposed to be supportive not evangelistic. It would also be good for us to know about other religions - for example, how those who are Jewish handle the dead, how the Jevovah's Witnesses do not use blood products. I am sure that any education in religions would go way beyond that!

    It is hard not to offer the kind of support I have in my own life but it is not ok unless somebody asks for it. And if they have their own practice we are supposed to support it. If they do ask for information on our faith that is another story.

    When someone is terminal it is difficult not to offer our own kind of hope ... we are basically supposed to ask them/the family if the patient has a religious preference, and would they like to have their own spiritual leader/ a leader in their own religion, or a hospital chaplain, come to see them. It is definitely not ok to come in blasting fire and brimstone.

    It is hard since my faith urges us to share it with others as the consequences are grave but what are we gonna do? We have to trust God to give us a clear opportunity to speak and by clear I mean a patient asking. Either they express that their faith is the same as ours, or they or the family invite me to talk about my own.
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  12. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from FSUNurse2b
    Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not pursing nursing to "minister" to anyone. If a patient asks me about what I believe, I'll politely tell them. I don't need a comparative religion class to tell me how to minister to them.

    My faith is as simple as A-B-C. Believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved! I don't need rituals, sacraments, traditions, ordinances, performance systems, etc. Why should I need all that when I have the Spirit of Christ living within me.

    There's no such thing as "Christian enough". Either you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior or you don't. Works don't bring anyone to salvation.

    8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

    Right versus wrong? Well, if "all" our sins our forgiven for having believed in the Son of God, then what does Christianity say is wrong? It's "man" who creates all the rules and regulations, so that they can boast!
    I know you feel strongly about your faith.....but in nursing..... it is not about you.

    You will find that even when a patient asks what you believe....they may not really be interested and will probably end up reporting you for unprofessional/inappropriate behavior. Trust me this has and will happen.

    Nursing.....this is a world of the unexpected. Of unexpected idiosyncrasies in dealing with the general public that is NOT always what they appear....you will not be able to change them nor predict their behavior. Many will respond just as vehemently while hospitalized as they would if you quoted scripture at the bank. People will react even stronger for they don't feel well and are in a vulnerable position.

    I am sorry that this may not be what you want to hear....but the expectation of keeping religion out of the work place will be similar as it is in your bank. Some religious affiliated facilities are more tolerate of a doctrine related care/demeanor while other facilities will not be tolerant at all. I tell you this not to affront your beliefs but to help you understand what the expectation is at the bedside......I have been a nurse for 35 years.....just the voice of wisdom and experience.

    It is kind of like when a patient will ask you for your address or phone number because they want to "keep in touch" or thank you....it is not appropriate to give them your personal information. You respond with a "that is so kind but I do not give out my personal information" You don't give out your personal information....you don't discuss your personal opinion about religion, marriage, politics because it is personal and it isn't about you.....it is all about the patient.

    Patients can be comforted without scripture....that is your job.

    You might find your experience different once you get into school or into the workforce.....I wish you the best.
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    Quote from windsurfer8
    I am a nurse and have been for 8 years. I know this..if I am ever a patient and nurse utters one word about god, allah, buddha, or Santee Claus when I am a patient, I will tell them to leave my room immediately and would write them up before they were out of the room.
    No surprise December-presents for you! Hating on my loved Santee Claus! Bah humbug LMAO

    Posting from my phone, ease forgive my fat thumbs!


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