Do You Have To Be Religious/Spiritual to be a good Nurse? - page 6

I'm struggling with this to an extent. I go to a deeply religious school and yes, I hate it. At times I feel as though it's a major requirement to be religious in order to function as a nurse and I... Read More

  1. by   GrumpyRN
    Quote from khminh
    Soliloquy, I'm sorry that you had to endure such religious nonsense. I say this as a spiritual person. Honestly, I feel like Christians should not be nurses at all. Period.

    I'm sure you can see their intent from the very beginning.

    Christians treat people well so that people can see Jesus through them. This is a tactic of manipulation. They don't do good for the goodness sake. They do good for a religious ideology. They do good for Jesus, not for patients, not for everyone else but their deity.
    On their lips, Christians say that they should be humble. In action, they want people to see goodness in them so that they will start worshiping Jesus. How insidious that is!

    If I have a choice, I will absolutely pick an atheist nurse, a Wiccan nurse, a Sikh nurse, a Hindu nurse,... over a Christian nurse. I cannot get close to people who in their head have an agenda to convert me by acting cool. I don't want that. I need honesty and total respect. Other religious nurses can do that. Christian nurses??? That never happens.

    Keep it up. I hope you become a nurse by now. This noble profession needs people like you, not preachers in skirts.

    Quote from elkpark
    And how did you develop this power to see into the hearts and minds of other people? Who are you to feel so confident that you understand the motivations of others? Once again, you are making sweeping generalizations about all "Christian nurses," when there is a wide range of approaches to Christianity and service across the US and across the world. I guess I should feel free to hate all Hindus because some Hindus, somewhere, have behaved badly and acted out of motivations I don't approve of. I would never want to have a Hindu nurse, because Hindus kill people who are members of other faiths -- I would be terrified that a Hindu nurse would kill me for not being a Hindu. That is the logic you are applying here, so I'm sure you think it is reasonable to apply the same logic to you and your faith.

    khminh,

    I'm curious as to why you are resurrecting all these old religious threads and inferring (although in this latest one you are right out there) that christians cannot make good nurses. I am completely and utterly atheist and would never make such a general accusation or claim. Elkpark has stated it perfectly. She uses Hindus but perhaps muslims may be a better example.

    If you feel that Buddhists are so good and such nice people can you please explain why the "peaceful" Buddhists are ethnically cleansing the Rohingya peoples in Myanmar?
  2. by   khminh
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    khminh,

    I'm curious as to why you are resurrecting all these old religious threads and inferring (although in this latest one you are right out there) that christians cannot make good nurses. I am completely and utterly atheist and would never make such a general accusation or claim. Elkpark has stated it perfectly. She uses Hindus but perhaps muslims may be a better example.

    If you feel that Buddhists are so good and such nice people can you please explain why the "peaceful" Buddhists are ethnically cleansing the Rohingya peoples in Myanmar?
    Buddhists are not saints. They can be violent. No body gets a pass when it comes to religion. I practice Buddhism, but I don't speak for other Buddhists. If they want to be violent and call themselves Buddhists, that is their choice. I don't have to justify my belief on their behalf.

    Some teachings in Buddhism can cause people to have a pessimistic in life, but it's not enough to invoke violence. I have yet found anything the Buddha said that can support genocide and hatred. I don't hold the Buddha to be a god. If you can find something the Buddha say that is immoral, you can bet that I will abandon that teaching.

    Will a Christian be able to do that? I doubt it.
  3. by   GrumpyRN
    Quote from khminh
    Buddhists are not saints. They can be violent. No body gets a pass when it comes to religion. I practice Buddhism, but I don't speak for other Buddhists. If they want to be violent and call themselves Buddhists, that is their choice. I don't have to justify my belief on their behalf.
    Now you have just admitted that your religion does exactly what you are accusing Christians of doing.

    "One is not called noble who harms living beings. By not harming living beings one is called noble." The Buddha

    This does not explain Myanmar and the Rohynga.
  4. by   khminh
    Quote from GrumpyRN
    Now you have just admitted that your religion does exactly what you are accusing Christians of doing.

    "One is not called noble who harms living beings. By not harming living beings one is called noble." The Buddha

    This does not explain Myanmar and the Rohynga.
    The difference is that Christians do what they do using the Bible to back their action. I haven't seen any Buddhist citing Pali scriptures to justify their action. Same thing with Wiccan, Jain, Sikh, most Jews,... I have seen many Christians and Muslims coerce people into their faith either by words (Christians) or by physical action (Muslims), and they use their books to justify their action.

    Bad ideas are indeed bad, but that doesn't excuse the person who follow them.

    Being a Buddhist, I have to agree with Sam Harris that the most peaceful religious people are Jains. Gandhi, a Hindu, used Jainism principle of nonviolence for his work. I wish I met nurses who are Jains.

    I don't know how much you know about the Bible and Koran. I don't see the reason why I want to be under care of a nurse who sincerely believes that I deserve to burn for eternity or to have my skin peeled off over and over simply for the fact that I don't believe in her deity.

    Hence, I despise Christian nurses a lot when they intend to use their work to recruit souls for Jesus.

    To be fair, in certain sects of Buddhism, it is believed that if people refuse to follow the Buddha's teaching, they would suffer endless reincarnation cycle. Other teachings have truth, but dharma is the only truth. This particular belief, as far as I know, is rare. If a Buddhist nurse harbors this mindset, I wouldn't her to be my caregiver, either.
  5. by   GrumpyRN
    Quote from khminh
    The difference is that Christians do what they do using the Bible to back their action. I haven't seen any Buddhist citing Pali scriptures to justify their action.
    So again I am asking, "what is justifying their actions in Myanmar?"


    Quote from khminh
    Being a Buddhist, I have to agree with Sam Harris that the most peaceful religious people are Jains. Gandhi, a Hindu, used Jainism principle of nonviolence for his work. I wish I met nurses who are Jains.
    No you don't, because an extreme Jain would be unable to function in hospital because antibiotics kill living organisms, as do chemo and radiotherapy.

    Quote from khminh
    I don't know how much you know about the Bible and Koran. I don't see the reason why I want to be under care of a nurse who sincerely believes that I deserve to burn for eternity or to have my skin peeled off over and over simply for the fact that I don't believe in her deity.

    Hence, I despise Christian nurses a lot when they intend to use their work to recruit souls for Jesus.
    Seriously how often is this view expressed? I'm not saying some people don't believe it but it has to be an extreme view. Considering you are of Vietnamese descent surely they would expect you to not be christian so why go to the bother.
    I understand the bible very well - as do most atheists. I have read Sam Harris.



    In UK I have had patients try to give me religious tracts and I have always refused, sometimes with a snort of derision but mostly just a polite refusal.
    A nurse trying to convert a patient would be disciplined and eventually sacked if they did not stop. We have had court cases where nurses who were sacked for praying over or for patients lost their case.

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