How Can You Be A Nurse With No Clinical Background? - page 2

I find that odd. The foundation of nursing skill and ''critical thinking'' is having some experience with bedside care. I understand alot of new grads are running away from the bedside faster than ever, and alot of nurses are... Read More

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    I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you need years and years of bedside exxperience to be a good manager. Now that I have over 10 years experience, I see that it isn't necessary if you want to do other functions in healthcare. I commend people who know what they want early as opposed to staying miserable at the bedside. In my opinion 3 years of bedside experience is plenty.
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    I am an operating room nurse and applying for PNP programs now. The operating room is what I know and will use that as a PNP by joining a surgery group. So no, I will have no bedside experience. That doesn't disqualify me or make me less than a nurse. We are employed in many areas and we are ALL NEEDED! If there are not any clinic nurses then what happens then?

    When he was working with you what was his role? Was he the bedside nurse during that shift? He might have been so focused on tasks he needed to complete. Delegation is something we do as nurses all the time and in his position as a manager/educator he has to delegate also.

    There are many people who go through nursing school, pass NCLEX, and have a license who are not good nurses. That is life.

    Education is a beautiful thing... go for it!
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    I talked about this with my friend who wants to go into law -- we got onto the topic because she wanted me to be her nurse consultant. Our teacher was telling us it's possible for someone to go into nursing, and with how the law is written, yeah, they can have little to no clinical experience if there's a good reason (I think the example she used was if they couldn't move/lift a certain amount, they couldn't be expected to pull up a patient...this conversation was a while ago) because the school had to be able to accomodate. Their options then would be to go into nurse consulting, be a nurse rep, or do telenursing.

    That said, while I agree with you (it does bother me a little that some people are moving up the ranks with what seems like little to no experience), some people are really good managers and/or leaders. The person you described could've been delegating (as someone else said), or possibly just lazy, but it's not like he's representative of an entire group of people.

    Regardless, at the end of the day, I'd rather someone who can actually manage people and lead them to something good rather than someone who has 30+ years experience, but can't get a group of people to cooperate.
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    I don't get why it's a problem that this guy "won't even try". As you know and stated, being a "nurse" can mean so many different things--some people go into nursing because they want to do those other things. I'm sure it doesn't bother you that people who go through a teacher training program because they want to teach high school chemistry never even TRY to teach kindergarten... even though some of their education was focused on that kind of teaching. I had a nursing school classmate who had zero interest in hospital nursing and planned to get his degree and go back to the foreign missions work he and his wife had been doing previously. Now, he ended up hating the hospital so much that he couldn't even make it through clinicals and dropped out, but some people with other career goals do stick through and then their degree is theirs to do what they want with. To suggest that it's not right for an RN to not even try one specific aspect of nursing doesn't make much more sense than asking why the average non-nurse doesn't even try to become a nurse.
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    A lot of people are just not cut out for bedside nursing. I am an older new nurse currently working at the bedside. I anticipate doing this for a couple years then moving on to something else, probably not management, possibly PACU and then on to the OR, or Psych APN, maybe PA school. I enjoy bedside nursing for the most part, but am not interested in doing it for the next twenty years.

    My hospital offers an OR internship that I didn't even bother applying for because I wanted to get a foundation in medical nursing, which I enjoy. That said, one classmate did apply and was accepted and I say, good for her. She doesn't want to be a bedside nurse, her endgame is as a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. That's what she wants to do. I have some idea what that entails, but I don't know how working in the OR will help her...anyway, she doesn't want to do traditional floor nursing. More power to her.

    Most of us were "sold" nursing as a career choice with the upside that there were a great number of things you could do, so many different options.

    I like that. And I don't think you have to "pay your dues" if by that we mean to spend years in MedSurg or something similar.

    As for people going to NP school after a year of practice? Who cares? I know a lot of fine mid-level providers with little or no clinical experience beyond what they got in school.
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    They are not locking themselves out of advanced practice. No experience required for NP or CNS. CRNA and CNMW do require certain clinical experience. There are lots of direct entry NP programs where non nurses go directly from the RN portion of the program to NP program. I personaly think it's a really bad idea. We have some of these students doing clinicals in my hospital and their total lack of experience is obvious.
    Nurse managers are a different story. A nurse at my hospital was recently promoted to nurse manager of a medical floor. As a bedside nurse he was scarey incompetant. However he is doing a great job as manager. His unit is well staffed and well run and he takes care of his nurses too.
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    Quote from All4NursingRN
    No offense but working in a clinic is a joke compared to the other areas of nursing,.
    Putting "no offense, but..." in front of an offensive statement really doesn't make the statement any less offensive. Just saying.
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    I'm either going to directly go to NP school (part-time) while working at the bed side fulltime or work for one year fulltime then drop to part-time while going to school full-time for two years. By the time I'm get my NP license, I will have two-three years of bedside experience.

    I want to finish school before I have children. It is taking me longer to get my BSN than expected, and I really don't want to be in school, working AND raising kids at once. If I go straight through, I will be 26/27 years old by the time I'm finished (23 after graduating with a BSN). I don't want to be in my thirties and JUST starting a family (I would like three to five children) and I would like to be finished with having children by 35, leaving me with very little time to have those three, four (MAYBE five) children.

    I really have no choice BUT to go straight through, and I shouldn't be judged for it. Yes, if I were younger and didn't want as many children, I would take my time, but I'm not going to have children AND go to school AND work. It is too much for me.
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    There IS a midlevel option for those who do not wish to aquire the critical bedside nursing experience. It's called PA school. There is a reason NP programs have a lot fewer clinical hours than PA programs. NP students are expected to be experienced bedside RNs and the NP training reflects that. PAs are not expected to have heath care experience at the same level as RNs thus they are trained differently.
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    It is taking me longer to get my BSN than expected, and I really don't want to be in school, working AND raising kids at once. If I go straight through, I will be 26/27 years old by the time I'm finished (23 after graduating with a BSN).
    Not to criticize your plans, but doesn't graduating at 23 with a BSN only put you a year behind other grads who would have gone straight to a traditional BSN program from high school? I get a sense that you already feel behind on life, but finishing a college degree by 23 isn't that bad.
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