How Can You Be A Nurse With No Clinical Background? - pg.2 | allnurses

How Can You Be A Nurse With No Clinical Background? - page 2

I find that odd. The foundation of nursing skill and ''critical thinking'' is having some experience with bedside care. I understand alot of new grads are running away from the bedside faster than... Read More

  1. Visit  BonnieSc profile page
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    I don't get why it's a problem that this guy "won't even try". As you know and stated, being a "nurse" can mean so many different things--some people go into nursing because they want to do those other things. I'm sure it doesn't bother you that people who go through a teacher training program because they want to teach high school chemistry never even TRY to teach kindergarten... even though some of their education was focused on that kind of teaching. I had a nursing school classmate who had zero interest in hospital nursing and planned to get his degree and go back to the foreign missions work he and his wife had been doing previously. Now, he ended up hating the hospital so much that he couldn't even make it through clinicals and dropped out, but some people with other career goals do stick through and then their degree is theirs to do what they want with. To suggest that it's not right for an RN to not even try one specific aspect of nursing doesn't make much more sense than asking why the average non-nurse doesn't even try to become a nurse.
    db2xs, BCgradnurse, hiddencatRN, and 1 other like this.
  2. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    A lot of people are just not cut out for bedside nursing. I am an older new nurse currently working at the bedside. I anticipate doing this for a couple years then moving on to something else, probably not management, possibly PACU and then on to the OR, or Psych APN, maybe PA school. I enjoy bedside nursing for the most part, but am not interested in doing it for the next twenty years.

    My hospital offers an OR internship that I didn't even bother applying for because I wanted to get a foundation in medical nursing, which I enjoy. That said, one classmate did apply and was accepted and I say, good for her. She doesn't want to be a bedside nurse, her endgame is as a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner. That's what she wants to do. I have some idea what that entails, but I don't know how working in the OR will help her...anyway, she doesn't want to do traditional floor nursing. More power to her.

    Most of us were "sold" nursing as a career choice with the upside that there were a great number of things you could do, so many different options.

    I like that. And I don't think you have to "pay your dues" if by that we mean to spend years in MedSurg or something similar.

    As for people going to NP school after a year of practice? Who cares? I know a lot of fine mid-level providers with little or no clinical experience beyond what they got in school.
    BCgradnurse, GrnTea, and netglow like this.
  3. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    They are not locking themselves out of advanced practice. No experience required for NP or CNS. CRNA and CNMW do require certain clinical experience. There are lots of direct entry NP programs where non nurses go directly from the RN portion of the program to NP program. I personaly think it's a really bad idea. We have some of these students doing clinicals in my hospital and their total lack of experience is obvious.
    Nurse managers are a different story. A nurse at my hospital was recently promoted to nurse manager of a medical floor. As a bedside nurse he was scarey incompetant. However he is doing a great job as manager. His unit is well staffed and well run and he takes care of his nurses too.
  4. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from All4NursingRN
    No offense but working in a clinic is a joke compared to the other areas of nursing,.
    Putting "no offense, but..." in front of an offensive statement really doesn't make the statement any less offensive. Just saying.
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  5. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    I'm either going to directly go to NP school (part-time) while working at the bed side fulltime or work for one year fulltime then drop to part-time while going to school full-time for two years. By the time I'm get my NP license, I will have two-three years of bedside experience.

    I want to finish school before I have children. It is taking me longer to get my BSN than expected, and I really don't want to be in school, working AND raising kids at once. If I go straight through, I will be 26/27 years old by the time I'm finished (23 after graduating with a BSN). I don't want to be in my thirties and JUST starting a family (I would like three to five children) and I would like to be finished with having children by 35, leaving me with very little time to have those three, four (MAYBE five) children.

    I really have no choice BUT to go straight through, and I shouldn't be judged for it. Yes, if I were younger and didn't want as many children, I would take my time, but I'm not going to have children AND go to school AND work. It is too much for me.
  6. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    There IS a midlevel option for those who do not wish to aquire the critical bedside nursing experience. It's called PA school. There is a reason NP programs have a lot fewer clinical hours than PA programs. NP students are expected to be experienced bedside RNs and the NP training reflects that. PAs are not expected to have heath care experience at the same level as RNs thus they are trained differently.
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  7. Visit  hiddencatRN profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    It is taking me longer to get my BSN than expected, and I really don't want to be in school, working AND raising kids at once. If I go straight through, I will be 26/27 years old by the time I'm finished (23 after graduating with a BSN).
    Not to criticize your plans, but doesn't graduating at 23 with a BSN only put you a year behind other grads who would have gone straight to a traditional BSN program from high school? I get a sense that you already feel behind on life, but finishing a college degree by 23 isn't that bad.
    soxgirl2008, kathylorr, and KelRN215 like this.
  8. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    I will be twenty-three going on twenty-four so that puts me two years behind. I am in my fourth year of college. I went directly from high school. I switched majors which put me a year behind. Then I got a horrible clinical instructor who bullied me and failed me three weeks before finishing my first year even though I had an A average...which put me behind another year.So even though I did everything right I was still screwed over. Thankfully, I received a better instructor who I clicked with.
    Quote from hiddencatRN
    Not to criticize your plans, but doesn't graduating at 23 with a BSN only put you a year behind other grads who would have gone straight to a traditional BSN program from high school? I get a sense that you already feel behind on life, but finishing a college degree by 23 isn't that bad.
  9. Visit  RN Sam profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    I'm either going to directly go to NP school (part-time) while working at the bed side fulltime or work for one year fulltime then drop to part-time while going to school full-time for two years. By the time I'm get my NP license, I will have two-three years of bedside experience.

    I want to finish school before I have children. It is taking me longer to get my BSN than expected, and I really don't want to be in school, working AND raising kids at once. If I go straight through, I will be 26/27 years old by the time I'm finished (23 after graduating with a BSN). I don't want to be in my thirties and JUST starting a family (I would like three to five children) and I would like to be finished with having children by 35, leaving me with very little time to have those three, four (MAYBE five) children.

    I really have no choice BUT to go straight through, and I shouldn't be judged for it. Yes, if I were younger and didn't want as many children, I would take my time, but I'm not going to have children AND go to school AND work. It is too much for me.
    Wow, you have the kid thing all planned out . Life does not always work out the way we "plan" (literally for you) but I hope you have those five babies!
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  10. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Quote from RN Sam
    Wow, you have the kid thing all planned out . Life does not always work out the way we "plan" (literally for you) but I hope you have those five babies!
    You don't think I already know this? Of course I do. I didn't expect to be in undergrad for so long, but life had other plans for me.
  11. Visit  GrnTea profile page
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    When you're mumblemumble years old, like me, and probably even sooner, those two years in your twenties will shrink into the insignificance they deserve. Move on and try not to think about it so much.
  12. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from ThePrincessBride
    I will be twenty-three going on twenty-four so that puts me two years behind.
    *** Your not behind anything. I urge you to relax a little about this time line. I would hate to see you have a lot of stress about it. I am aquanted with a young nurse (I was her ICU night shift preceptor) who will be graduating from CRNA school in August 2013 at the age of 24 (actually the 2nd 24 year old advanced practice nurse I have known) after becoming an RN at age 18. I know plenty of others who did grad school at an older age with a family and things worked out just fine.
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  13. Visit  ThePrincessBride profile page
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    Quote from GrnTea
    When you're mumblemumble years old, like me, and probably even sooner, those two years in your twenties will shrink into the insignificance they deserve. Move on and try not to think about it so much.
    I mean, in terms of fertility years, two years can be the difference between having that fourth kid or not (I want mine spaced out). If I were a guy with an unlimited amount of baby making years, I wouldn't be so stressed over it.

    But I guess it is all in perspective.


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