would you cross a picket line???? - page 11

Yesterday one of my nursing coworkers told me about some strike in OHIO and that she was going to take a travel assignment to that area..... I am totally happy where I am, but I was kinda wondering... Read More

  1. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Bob

    My views are mine, my reasons are mine. I feel no need to defend them to anyone!


    That would preclude the word "discussion" wouldn't it?

    Viewpoints will differ in any good dicussion. If you have a firm belief then it can only add to the discussion and should not be seen as "defending" yourself.

    Certainly, if someone states opinion, they mean for it to be debated.
  2. by   2ndCareerRN
    Certainly, if someone states opinion, they mean for it to be debated

    I will agree with you on that point, but I did not state opinion. I stated a fact, so no amount of "discussion" is going to change my mind. If I state "opinion", I say so.

    bob
  3. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Then you won't be dicussing your views or opinions either, that is a shame.


    People's views and reasons change and that is a fact, but only through mutual conversation and circumstances beyond thier control.

    BTW.........Your discussion of the use of the word "opinion" has caused me to examine the way I use it even though I was not referring to your statement.
  4. by   -jt
    <Sorry your way hasnt proven particulalry effective in the past >

    you are very Wrong about that. Heres just a few of the facts ........

    Staten Island University Hospital Nurses Approve New Contract
    Abolishes mandatory overtime & guarantees safe staffing levels
    http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/PR2001/PR101101.HTM


    St. Catherine's RNs approve contract that limits overtime and ensures safe staffing http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/pr2002/pr030902.htm


    Nurses at Presbyterian Approve Breakthrough Contract
    http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/PR2001/pr122101_1.htm


    Westchester Med RNs approve landmark contract
    http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/pr2002/pr052402.htm


    New Saint Vincents Contract Sets the Pace
    http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/pr2002/pr050902.htm


    Mount Sinai nurses approve new contract
    http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/pr2002/pr051602.htm


    Samaritan Nurses Approve New Contract http://www.nysna.org/NEWS/PRESS/PR2001/PR092001.HTM


    CITY IN CRISIS
    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...isis#post89997


    So what are you doing for yourself in Texas? If you have to hurt other nurses in order to make a living, then it seems to me that its YOUR way that hasnt proven particularly effective in making permanent improvements for nurses in your state.
  5. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    Well again PEEPS you are indeed a strange one. But dr kate is correct. just let me know when you want to step outside and I will beat you at a round golf anytime anywhere. We will handle this like gentlemen, and you get to buy the beer. drum roll please followed by a golfclap.
    But why you are hooked on cogmitive dissonance and inconsistent thoughts in the ER, is really strange. You talk about cognitive dissonance to a pt in the ER and all he is going to say is 'Wheres my dilaudid"
    And I do too know what cognitive dissonance is. You have that when you address the golf ball and try to hit a draw and end up with a slice.
    You say you are less impressed, but how many differing responses can I give you to the same old line of bait rattling semantics that you continue to throw out. Either give it a rest or give it up.
    As far as quoting you from a different thread that is just to point out that people who throw stones should not live in a glass email account.

    Dooo Waahhh Ditttyyyyy
  6. by   -jt
    TT, its my intention to try to understand how a nurse can feel there is nothing wrong with strikebreaking other nurses. Since you proudly admit that you do it for the money, I thought maybe you didnt know that in doing so, you are causing harm to the striking nurses by helping the hospital avoid compromising on the issues & preventing the RNs from gaining what they need in workplace improvements & compensations. I thought surely if a nurse knew the damaging effects they were having on the striking nurses by being there, they would not want to have anything to do with bringing them down. Ive tried to keep to the topic & ask questions to help me understand how a nurse can say "I support the striking nurses" at the same time he jumps at the chance to help defeat them - because it pays so well. I have been given no answer to most of the questions - rather you took the opportunity to cast insults. Still unanswered:

    Do you realize that if there were no interference from strikebreakers tilting the scale in the hospitals favor and undermining the striking union nurses bargaining power, the union nurses would have far more success?


    Why dont strikebreakers just stay in their own states & do what they need to do to make the working conditions & pay better there so they dont have to prostitute themselves across state lines?

    Do you think its right for you to come in & help the RNs lose salary & compensation improvements that they need to support THEIR families, while you rake it in for your family - at the expense of these RNs?
    (and then say you "support" them???)

    Why do you continue to strike bust when you know you are hurting the RNs who work there?

    As a member of the military, what would you think of some of your military buddies if they were providing the hand grenades to the opposing forces against you while you & the rest of your company were desparately trying to get out of the foxhole & take the hill?

    how can you "support unions" at the same time your eagerly become a strikebreaker - being used to help the hospital break the union nurses????
  7. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    Well -jt, as for your delineation of strike history there, well what can you say. But with all these strikes that apparently have helped the situations you bemoan. All these issues that were settled. Guess what. There were more than likely a significant number of strike nurses there. This shows they did not do anything to hurt your efforts to settle these issues.
    So yes I will still cross the pickett line whenever the oppurtunity arises..
    And things continue to fare well here in Texas, along with good weather to play golf year round.
  8. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    Well -jt here you go with your rhetoric still.
    1.I really do no think that strike breakers diminsh your power in achieving desired results.

    2.And I dont consider it prostitution, which has a rather unsavory sexual connotation.

    3. yes, I think its fair that I have the right to rake it in. even though I still do not see it as being at you expense. but even if so, you have the right to the same if you would like.

    4.Yes I will continue to strike bust as it is the right thing for me to do for me and my family.

    5. as for the handgrenade issue, so what else is new. about whomever is selling the weapons. Now the military has been going against forces who have recieved weaponry from the CIA and other members of the armed forces for decades now, Nothing new there.

    6. I support the idea of unions , Ive always said that. And yes I work as a strike breaker. But if you think yopu are going to be broken by administration. If you are that fragile, and you cant take the heat then get outta the kitchen

    There you have answers -jt. you dont have to like them. So be it. And by the way I have not insulted you yet bubba. And you would not want to even get me started there. It might interfere with my golf game. The thing about longwinded flatus was commentary, not insult.

    Dooo wahhh dittty
  9. by   -jt
    <It will take all of us working together to facilitate change. But when you divide people up into differing opponent camps, you are sure to fail>

    EXACTLY. Thats exactly what we've been saying. And failure is exactly what happens when strikebreakers show up to work an RN strike. They cause the striking nurses to fail to obtain all they could have obtained in improvements if the strikebreakers had not been there.

    We're asking strikebreakers to think again about how their action hurts other nurses & to support other nurses by not being strikebreakers - because we all have to work it together to facilitate change. And you come down on us telling us how it is in your best interests to be a strikebreaker no matter what it does to us. And its your choice & your right to be a strikebreaker for the money - no matter it damage it does to the striking nurses. And how you & your family come first - no matter what it does to those of us whose strike your helping to break. And THEN you tell us we have to all work together for change --- at the same time you cross our strikelines. Whats wrong with this picture?

    How can you be calling for unity to facilitate change, then happily & knowingly take actions that do exactly the opposite??? We need to stand together - not have nurses helping to bring down other nurses - and especially not being bought off to sabotage their colleagues all for the golden dangling carrot.

    If you believe we all need to work together to facilitate change, WHY are you so eager to work another RNs strike when you know it will help defeat the striking nurses?

    Do you not see how your actions as a proud strikebreaker crossing other RNs strike lines are contradictory to your words calling for a unified front?

    I am truely amazed.
  10. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heart of texas.

    Well -jt, Im glad your amazed that someone can think differently than you demand.

    1.by striking you are not showing unification to begin with. its yall against the evil administrators. So there is no unity to begin with.

    2. I promise to at least think how my actions will affect you, before I cross that line. It doesnt mean I wont cross it, But I will think about it.

    3. Ive always been a sucker for golden dangling carrots. Also golden golf balls. My last double eagle ball I actually had gold plated to preserve it better. Looks cute too.

    4. After all the victories you named earlier do you really think that RNs who croos the lines break up your union. It is not us, but RNs that are in your union, who cant stand the heat and try to take advantage of things that defeats you. It isnt me, Im a outsider to your strike force.

    5. You show me a unified front. This includes Rns, aides, cooks, administrators, housekeepers, doctors, and CEOS. And I will look seriously at this. But when you pit RN unions against administration then there is no unity to begin with. Just Mob Politics
  11. by   -jt
    <All these issues that were settled. Guess what. There were more than likely a significant number of strike nurses there. This shows they did not do anything to hurt your efforts to settle these issues. >

    Wrong again. In most of those situations I linked up there, there was NO strike - they were settled because the hospitals COULDNT GET ENOUGH STRIKEBREAKERS AVAILABLE to keep them in business during a strike & they were faced with loss of revenue by having to limit services & move out pts if they went ahead with the strike. So after the RNs voted to strike, these hospitals that couldnt get enough strikebreakers instead chose to work more collaboratively with their nurses rather than force them out on strike & lose revenue - and thats how the issues were settled favorably.

    In other cases, the hospitals DID have enough strikebreakers - and then went ahead with pushing their own RNs out on very long strikes because of that. One in NY lasted from Christmas to Mothers Day solely because strikebreakers kept coming --- and the hospital used the taxpayers money to pay them.

    The long strikes were eventually settled but the point is the nurses may have had to make compromises that they wouldnt have had to make if strikenurses werent there & the hospital was under pressure to settle and though the strikes were eventually settled, they lasted for many many many months longer than they would have if strikebreakers werent there. These are the 2 major ways that strikebreakers directly hurt the striking RNs efforts.

    In Minnesota last year, RNs at 13 hospitals in Minneapolis were about to strike at the same time. One hospital found the night before the strike that it was short 98 strikebreakers. It came running back to the RNs at the very last minute - suddenly ready to make a better offer that met the RNs needs. The RNs accepted & called off their strike. The strike ended up happening at the hospitals that could find enough strikebreakers but the hospitals that didnt have enough strikebreakers settled more favorably with its nurses at the last minute & the strikes at those hospitals were called off before they even started. The couple of hospitals that had strikebreakers kept their nurses out on strike for a month.

    The rest of the 13 settled & gave the RNs what they needed without the strike - mainly because they couldnt get enough strikebreakers to allow the hospitals to fight the nurses.


    So you are very misinformed when you think that strikebreakers do nothing to hurt our efforts.
    Last edit by -jt on Jul 30, '02
  12. by   -jt
    <I support the idea of unions , Ive always said that. And yes I work as a strike breaker. >


    You cant do one if youre doing the other.

    Saying we all "need to work together to facilitate change" and then crossing an RN strike line to do exactly the opposite, working against other nurses, & helping the hospital prevent them from making change happen is hypocritical, to say the least.



    But strikebreakers are free to do whatever they want - no matter who they hurt in the process of "lining their own pockets"- just dont expect anyone to respect them for it. Or justify it for them.
    Last edit by -jt on Jul 30, '02
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Teed-up by Tom

    Well again PEEPS you are indeed a strange one. But dr kate is correct. just let me know when you want to step outside and I will beat you at a round golf anytime anywhere. We will handle this like gentlemen, and you get to buy the beer. drum roll please followed by a golfclap.
    Now that's the way we should settle all disputes:chuckle

    But I'm not making the strikebreaker salary here, so You will in fact be buying at the 19th won't you?




    But why you are hooked on cogmitive dissonance and inconsistent thoughts in the ER, is really strange. You talk about cognitive dissonance to a pt in the ER and all he is going to say is 'Wheres my dilaudid"
    I see where you've gone awry there................don't try to discuss anything you have no inate abilities for. Your example of the "hook-slice" phenomenon relating to something as seriouse as your justification for being a double-agent of nursing kind 'a makes ya' look like a hillbilly.

    BTW: Did you see the Battle at Bighorn lastnight? I can't believe Nicklaus can still shoot darts at a pin like that! Trevino doesn't have anything but a hook in his bag and he had more G.I.R. than Sergio.

    Non-golfers, I apologize............we now return to our regularly scheduled bit*hing.

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