Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's - page 15

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  1. by   reesern63
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    If Michael Moore is a "self promoting douchebag" what does that make an international law violating, war mongering, alcoholic liar? Oh, I guess that would be G. W. Bush, your president.

    One cannot compare the U.S. to Cuba, the U. S. is an industrialized nation and cuba is an agriculturally based developing nation. If one compares Cuba's health care system with other agriculturally based developing nations, you will findout that Cuba does more for its people. If one compares the US system with the Scandinavian nations, you will findout that they do more for their citizens.



    "The government of the United States of America is the greatest proveyor of violence in the world today"
    Dr Martin Luther King, Jr
    <snork>

    Don't try to confound people with logic, LOL.
  2. by   buddiage
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    If Michael Moore is a "self promoting douchebag" what does that make an international law violating, war mongering, alcoholic liar? Oh, I guess that would be G. W. Bush, your president.

    One cannot compare the U.S. to Cuba, the U. S. is an industrialized nation and cuba is an agriculturally based developing nation. If one compares Cuba's health care system with other agriculturally based developing nations, you will findout that Cuba does more for its people. If one compares the US system with the Scandinavian nations, you will findout that they do more for their citizens.



    "The government of the United States of America is the greatest proveyor of violence in the world today"
    Dr Martin Luther King, Jr

    Not all of us who loath Michael Moore automatically love President Bush.
    Some of us believe in equal opportunity.
  3. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from silas2642
    However, if it's your Aung Ginny who develops a rare form of malignant breast cancer, you may thank your lucky stars that you live in America where Glaxo Kline Smith is.

    Pssssst.......Glaxo Smith-Kline is all over the world.

    Quote from silas2642
    What Moore also fails to mention is that a lot of these people are eligible for federal benefits which they never apply for. He also fails to mention that it is illegal for an emergency room to turn away a patient in need of care.

    I find it hard to believe that you work in a hospital and really believe that there are many, if any people out there who are eligible for benefits that do not apply for them. I see desperate, sick people every day- every day- in pain and who need various medications and procedures that they do not receive because they do not have the money, they do not have insurance and they do not qualify for benefits. Period. Many of the posters mention long waits for procedures. Well for a lot of people, if the choice is between long waits and never, which do you think they would choose?
  4. by   Jolie
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    "The government of the United States of America is the greatest proveyor of violence in the world today"
    Dr Martin Luther King, Jr

    Can you please explain the significance of this quote to the topic at hand? I assume that it must be roughly 40 years old, and can't relate it to Michael Moore's commentary on our current healthcare system.
  5. by   judyblueeyes
    I have not seen the movie, but would be interested in doing so. I have only recently qualified for heath benefits throuhg my job- after being uninsure for 8years. And that is 8 years where I was employed by a hospital. That's just not right.
  6. by   leosrain
    Quote from johnwaynehair
    Talk to Canadian nurses working here about how their healthcare system is not what it's cracked up to be..
    I am Canadian...you are wrong.

    Our healthcare system is miles above and beyond the American system. Watching "Sicko" drove this point home.
  7. by   Mentuhotep I
    Quote from Jolie
    Can you please explain the significance of this quote to the topic at hand? I assume that it must be roughly 40 years old, and can't relate it to Michael Moore's commentary on our current healthcare system.
    The significance of the quote from Dr King is that the US government is spending TRILLIONS of dollars promoting violence in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places throughout the world. Just a fraction of that money could go a long way to help solving the health crisis we currently face. Oh, and yeah, the quote is from about 40 yrs ago, but just like in 1967, the US is currently bogged down in an unpopular military quagmire thousands of miles from its shores.
  8. by   fat cat
    THANK YOU JOHNWAYNEHAIR AND SILAS2642 !!
    :angryfire I was so mad when I got this card in the mail from a nursing association. I went to the link given on the post card where it stated, "for more information" to see what it had to say. There was a small video screen on the web site where one could view a few clips of the movie. I watched it and what I saw showed elements of truth. And yes, something does need to be done in this country's medical care system, however I sense that this movie will usher in an out cry of a guaranteed universal health care social system and be greatly supported by nurses who do not really realize the negative implications of it! AND DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT OUR POLITICIANS UNDER A SOCIALIZED UNIVERSAL HEALTH PLAN WOULD SIT IN LINE AND WAIT THEIR TURN?????????????? H__LL NO ! They would bribe their way out of it somehow for themselves and their families or pass bill to exempt them. And after Michael Moore makes a killing off this movie, I would not put it past him to pay people who don't have a real job to begin with, to go sit in Washington to lobby for it. I see it coming folks and if you think it is bad now, you are in for a rude awakening when it does.:uhoh21:
  9. by   Mentuhotep I
    Quote from fat cat
    THANK YOU JOHNWAYNEHAIR AND SILAS2642 !!
    :angryfire I was so mad when I got this card in the mail from a nursing association. I went to the link given on the post card where it stated, "for more information" to see what it had to say. There was a small video screen on the web site where one could view a few clips of the movie. I watched it and what I saw showed elements of truth. And yes, something does need to be done in this country's medical care system, however I sense that this movie will usher in an out cry of a guaranteed universal health care social system and be greatly supported by nurses who do not really realize the negative implications of it! AND DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT OUR POLITICIANS UNDER A SOCIALIZED UNIVERSAL HEALTH PLAN WOULD SIT IN LINE AND WAIT THEIR TURN?????????????? H__LL NO ! They would bribe their way out of it somehow for themselves and their families or pass bill to exempt them. And after Michael Moore makes a killing off this movie, I would not put it past him to pay people who don't have a real job to begin with, to go sit in Washington to lobby for it. I see it coming folks and if you think it is bad now, you are in for a rude awakening when it does.:uhoh21:
    The main purpose of a socialized universal health plan would not be to make sure that politicians "sit in line and wait their turn". NO system would ensure that politicians be treated like everyone else. I think the main objective of a socialized universal health plan would to make sure that the vast majority of citizens have some type of health care plan that meets their needs and that they can afford. No system is perfect. If making sure that the elite of the country get treated like everyone else is your barometer that you use to judge a health care plan, then I would suggest you use a different barometer, because NO system will ensure that the elite will be treated like everyone else.
  10. by   Captain Tripps
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    If Michael Moore is a "self promoting douchebag" what does that make an international law violating, war mongering, alcoholic liar? Oh, I guess that would be G. W. Bush, your president.

    One cannot compare the U.S. to Cuba, the U. S. is an industrialized nation and cuba is an agriculturally based developing nation. If one compares Cuba's health care system with other agriculturally based developing nations, you will findout that Cuba does more for its people. If one compares the US system with the Scandinavian nations, you will findout that they do more for their citizens.



    "The government of the United States of America is the greatest proveyor of violence in the world today"
    Dr Martin Luther King, Jr
    Ok, where to start?

    G.W. is my president, just like the womanizing, lying, impeached, bloated, gas bag was my president, or the stuttering no new taxes guy, the jelly bean Iran Contra guy, peanut boy, the I am not a crook guy and even I pick my nose in public LBJ.
    If your faith in the country is decided by who is president then I suggest you move to a dictatorship like, umm... I don't know CUBA maybe. They have great healthcare!
    This country has been around for 231 years, we've had good and bad presidents yet we're still here. So step away from the kool aid, the end of the world is not nigh.

    I have compared the U.S. health care with other countries. One of the major differences between us and them is what medical professionals are payed. U.S. Doctors & Nurses are making mint, what other job can you get a two year degree and walk out of school making $30/hr? Not many. Are you willing to drop your salary to CNA wages to help others get healthcare?? Another issue is the cost of medications in the U.S. and the excessive costs of emerging technology. It cost my mothers insurance $3500 a dose for her chemo!! Doesn't that seems a little excessive??

    The problems with the U.S. system far outweighs anything a single president has done. Drop the George Soros talking points and look at the real problems.

    Peace,
    Tripps
  11. by   cjmue12
    Quote from silas2642
    While I simply cannot disagree that this country's healthcare system needs a serious overhaul, I don't think that a centralized healthcare system is the answer. As previous posters have mentioned, countries such as France, Canada, and Great Britain do not have the health coverage that Michael Moore portrays-- it takes months to get in to see a physician, the time with him/her is always limited, and getting tests such as MRIs and CT scans is difficult and takes time. Furthermore, if you have rare or complicated conditions; for example, say you need a lung transplant, you can pretty much put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. Now that's all good and well as long as it's the guy next door but when it's your sister or brother that needs that organ, you're a hurting cowboy. Also, we have the benefits of a free market-- a free market means drug companies are able to produce new drugs all the time. Again, do these drugs benefit the majority of society? No. However, if it's your Aung Ginny who develops a rare form of malignant breast cancer, you may thank your lucky stars that you live in America where Glaxo Kline Smith is.

    What Moore also fails to mention is that a lot of these people are eligible for federal benefits which they never apply for. He also fails to mention that it is illegal for an emergency room to turn away a patient in need of care.

    Do we really want to go to a centralized healthcare system, because once we go there, is there any way back? Why don't we just cut the pork? Do we really need all this hospital administration? At the hospital where I work, we have people who sit at desks just making up more paper work for other administrators to administrate to nurses who are overwhelmed because they are understaffed because they are busy trying to take care of patients. And it's really stupid stuff. Don't tell me that you don't have stupid administrative paperwork to fill out that has no purpose whatsoever because I know you do. Everyone does.

    How could we cut back and save money on this troubled healtcare system?

    1. Cut back on useless administration. Eliminate all unnecessary paperwork so that the nurses and other staff could actually do their jobs.
    2. Put a cap on malpractice suits. Doctors, contrary to popular beliefs, do not try to kill patients, and in the fear of missing some obscure disease that the patient has 1/10000 chance of having will order an expensive unnecessary test. Malpractice suits also raises malpractice insurance which raises patients bills
    3. Let the doctors and patients make the medical decisions, not the insurance companies
    4. Shoot Michael Moore
    5. Kill the politicians


    There, that felt good.
    Thanks for that, I am still cracking up. I will refrain from comments until I see the movie. I dont know MM personally, never met him. But if he can somehow open peoples minds, get accurate information out there, and make a difference in a good way, he's earned his $$. If he creates chaos, panic and worsens the problems we already have, knock him out. Only shoot him if he has to wait in line for healthcare.
    Last edit by cjmue12 on Jun 22, '07
  12. by   norseman
    I saw the movie and I liked it. I have read about the "broken" US health care system and how so much money is spent with a huge overhead, esp. administration, malpractice suits, etc. Living in a country with socialized medicine myself, I can testify it CAN be efficient and it WORKS. I know alot of Americans equal something being ran/controlled by the government with unefficiancy and uncontrolled spending. I think it's the opposite! Someone posted in this thread "we do more MRI's in Austin each year than in the whole of Canada". Is this necessary a good thing? Is it necessary? Will the population live longer because of it?

    I think that's the only way to measure health care quality, and that's how they measure it when they compare healthcare among nations. How much money is spent on health care and how does the money spent affect the average citizen, the population as a whole? In "Sicko" we're told the poorest citizens in the UK lives longer than the richest ones in the US.

    It's not about the government spending money, it is HOW it is spent and due dilligance. When you have a set limited budget for health care coming from tax money, it must be spent with care in order to provide the best health care possible. I think that actually promotes efficiancy. Why would you want to place your life into the hands of insurance companies?

    I read somewhere in the US you have "sick care" not health care. I suppose there's not much money to made in preventive care?
  13. by   fronkey bean
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    I read some of these posts and I just have to laugh. Instead of so-called professionals watching a documentary that will probably give them some insite into the mess thats called the health care crisis, these "professionals" would rather rant and rave about how they loathe Michael Moore. Micheal Moore directed a documentary (Fahrenheit 9/11) that did an excellent job in showing some of the HUGE contradictions between what politicians say and what they actually do, it also allowed G.W. Bush to show how unqualified he is to hold the office of president. So what? It happened get over it and take the time to look at the world from a perspective that may challenge you to actually THINK.
    Many of MM's "proofs" were later shown to be false or exagerated. He makes films that promote a viewpoint - period. I will watch it on video just to see if there is anything redeeming in it but as I agree with little MM says I don't expect to find much. the point is though should the ANA have spent the money to promote the film when it doesn't rrepresent the views of all (Possibly not even most) of their members. I don't think so so I also opt to keep my membership in specialty organizations.

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