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| No. 30 |
Sep 19, 2007, 04:39 PM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by sharona97 What happens when a person "chooses" not to have healthcare and someone in my family becomes seriously ill, and it turns out this person is the host of the presumed illness. I believe it's called preventative healthcare that is in place now so this doesn't happen. I will agree it does happen, due to personal rights, or religious beliefs, may not receive immunizations that are meant to protect us all.:trout:
You answered your own question. People have the right NOT to receive healthcare, regardless of their insurance status. Perhaps you support the government mandating healthcare for all citizens, but that is a separate issue from insurance, and one I hope never comes to pass. God help us all when the government has the power to mandate what healthcare private citizens must receive.
| | No. 31 |
Sep 19, 2007, 04:41 PM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by teeituptom You know it wont work that way, Its our nature to assist all.
That may be your nature, but it isn't mine. I won't force my assistance on those who don't want or need it.
| | No. 32 |
Sep 19, 2007, 04:55 PM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by Jolie You answered your own question. People have the right NOT to receive healthcare, regardless of their insurance status. Perhaps you support the government mandating healthcare for all citizens, but that is a separate issue from insurance, and one I hope never comes to pass. God help us all when the government has the power to mandate what healthcare private citizens must receive.
So let's say you are exercising this right. How do you get into medical school or nursing school without the needed immunizations?
| | No. 33 |
Sep 19, 2007, 08:44 PM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by sharona97 So let's say you are exercising this right. How do you get into medical school or nursing school without the needed immunizations?
You meet the requirement, get a waiver, or don't go. It is a matter of personal choice. No one is forcing a needle into your arm, unless you are a member of the military, in which case you have signed away certain rights to self-determination.
| | No. 34 |
Sep 20, 2007, 02:17 AM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday that a mandate requiring every American to purchase health insurance was the only way to achieve universal health care but she rejected the notion of punitive measures to force individuals into the health care system. ADVERTISEMENT  
"At this point, we don't have anything punitive that we have proposed," the presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press. "We're providing incentives and tax credits which we think will be very attractive to the vast majority of Americans."
She said she could envision a day when "you have to show proof to your employer that you're insured as a part of the job interview — like when your kid goes to school and has to show proof of vaccination," but said such details would be worked out through negotiations with Congress.
This is what we have to look forward to if hilary the commuist clinton gets elected in regards to healthcare.
| | No. 35 |
Sep 20, 2007, 03:34 AM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan
What is wrong with proof of immunization? My point is that preventative health was made to have us healthy. That is why schools require these immunizations starting in infanthood. Is is ok to have a mother or father say no to this? Yes, we irradicated smallpox once. Why should we let it slide now?
I understand purported diseases that require healthcare more intensly, CHF, uncontrolled diabetes, uncontrolled HTN, irresponsible known aides patients,etc could and maybe should pay for there care. I'm not here to say how. I'll leave that to the Fed/State level and vote for whom I think is most qualified.
If we have people going around in our society that have TB, meningitis,smallpox, DX's that should be regulated and checked for it is umbrella coverage for the rest of us to stay healty.
You can have all the money in the world saved for personal medical attention, but until you really get sick to the point of disablement, the blinders come off and you hold people accountable for not complying with the simplest, safetiest ways of prevention.
I attest to this as I am one of those people who did become sick from a unimmunized patient. Had a near-death experience, and now remain disabled, which begets attention to oneself and the community at large, begets depression, and on it goes.
All be it I am now in a place where I am able to return to school and then participate with skill in an area that I will be best used it took years and thousands of my own dollars to get me functioning at a decent level to carry on with my life. I pray daily that know one has to go thru such a preventable situation.
| | No. 36 |
Sep 20, 2007, 07:56 AM
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Sep 20, 2007 at 07:59 AM by Jolie
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by sharona97
I attest to this as I am one of those people who did become sick from a unimmunized patient. Had a near-death experience, and now remain disabled, which begets attention to oneself and the community at large, begets depression, and on it goes.
I am truly sorry for your situation, but I don't understand how you think government-paid healthcare would have prevented it. No matter who pays for healthcare, our current system allows individuals to refuse it, and I can't imagine the American public accepting any new system that would negate that right of refusal.
Also, we know that no medication, vaccines included, is 100% safe and effective for everyone. Even if we had 100% immunization rates, there would still be isolated incidents of disease that not even mandatory healthcare could prevent.
| | No. 37 |
Sep 20, 2007, 08:16 AM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan
Thanks Joli
Exactly one of my points. This is America, taxes are mandated, laws are mandated. Why not healthcare?
| | No. 38 |
Sep 20, 2007, 09:20 AM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan Originally Posted by Jolie The truth is that one can invest his/her own money in an FDIC insured savings account (an investment with the lowest return, due to the federal guarantee of funds) and still fare better than the return on Social Security. There is no need to purchase "risky" investment to outdo the government's track record. By investing a portion of one's money in federally-insured products, and a small amount in various higher-risk non-insured products, anyone can far out-pace the government's return, regardless of market conditions. The key is self-discipline and personal responsibility, something the government does NOT encourage. Politicians would rather convince you that you need to rely on them than support your efforts to provide for yourself.
Jolie - another point about private investments vs. SS. If a person works their entire life, and dies at say, 64, that money is gone - zip - nothing left to pass on to their heirs.
And say they have a 60 yo wife - and she dies before she can collect widows benefits - all the money that person put in over the years is gone - government isn't going to give ANY of it back.
| | No. 39 |
Sep 20, 2007, 09:35 AM
Re: Clinton unveils new health care plan
I agree Banditrn and Jolie to a certain degree. some folks may be waiting for the gov't to take of them, true. The majority of people I would hope detail their own destinies for retirement.
However; in the event of a death, there is a (very small) death benefit to the children. And if a person is disabled and on SSDI, etc, there is an education grant for the children up to a certain age. Not that this will enable to take total care of themselves with these monies, but they may be motivated individuals such as yourself and make the best with what they have and apply themselves to.
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