Recent CA BON discussion with regards to the Phillipines

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    As you know, someone here going by the moniker, Santo Nino, mentioned of the latest possible licensing issues with those coming in from the Phillipines. However, no one is yet sure of Santo Nino's sources.

    Anyways, my roommate's friend who has been trying to get this ATT since last year is totally disgusted by the actions of these fellow applicants going thru such drastic actions to get their CA licensure by presenting falsified documents. Because of these individuals, it has now dampen his fighting spirits that they would snoop so low and cause such an uproar with the CA BON to the point of lying and cheating their way in. These individuals were buying their way in with money and deceit versus studying so hard like many of you having to go thru the years of difficulties and sacrifices.

    He was doing some other research on this subject and I actually posted one of his findings in an earlier thread here under the International section, so give him the credit. But he passed on a few more for those following what's been happening.

    CA BON is just starting their investigations.

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/b...pr11_item9.pdf

    see pg. 262-263 below:

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/e...ials_oct11.pdf



    see pg. 208-209 below:

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/b...ov11_item9.pdf

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    These are the two informational mentions from Santo_Nino: (maybe this person will come back on-line to give us the source of his postings)

    Here it is:

    Hello. To all the aspiring NCLEX applicants of California Board of Registered Nursing.

    At this time, California is imposing severe restrictions on your applications. This is a result of some incompetent Filipino graduate nurses who recently became Registered Nurses but were reported delinquent to a disciplinary committee in California due to bad nursing practice OR a select few applicants who produced fraudulent nursing records in order to comply with the CA-BRN. It also became a result due to certain select falsified Nursing diplomas of applicants who, while living in the United States, in hopes of fooling the California Board of Registered Nursing produced the commonly called *Recto falsified documents*. This implementation began in November 2011 and affects all aspiring (non-passing) re-applicants, brand new-applicants, and future RN renewals (of Philippine Graduate) in the State of California.

    Should you choose to apply for a Nursing License in California---whether as already an American Citizen or with Filipino Citizenship---you *will* be subjected to the following concurrency issues. Please note that all applicant fees and mailing fees submitted to the State of California are non-refundable and final.

    1. That you should possess a Nursing License administered by the Republic of the Philippines through the Philippine Regulation Commission.

    2. If you were once a foreign student, i.e. American Citizen, or U.S. immigrant with a limited visa time allowance while studying in the Philippines----a formal letter of explanation is required as to why you did not comply with obtaining a Philippine Nursing License (due to limit of timestay accorded by your Philippine Student Visa).

    2. That your nursing clinical rotation schedule AND clinical cases be complete *per* skill type.

    3. That your nursing clinical cases must be complete *BEFORE* the date of your graduation ceremony.

    4. That your nursing clinical cases must strictly match *WITHIN* the semester associated with RLE or NCM skill---in addition to having been completed *before* the date of graduation ceremony. (Note: This refers to some nursing schools in the Philippines that are not subjected to CHED's regulation do not have this rule in their curriculum)

    5. That you should possess a valid SSN or TIN number for security and verification purposes.

    Failure or inability to fully comply with these requirements are grounds for the rejection of your application packet.

    At this time, a certain motion is also being prepared to affect Philippine graduates already working as Registered Nurses in California to be subjected to the same concurrency regulation ONCE their License Renewal is to be updated.

    Should an applicant chose to apply to another State, other than California and be approved to take the NCLEX and be a licensed Registered Nurse in that state (i.e. Vermont, New Mexico, Etc.)----returning back to California in hopes of reciprocity at a future date will still subject you to the same concurrency regulation---and be denied of Licensure in California---as the basis of CA-BRN Licensing Unit is education---not the passage of NCLEX examination or the obtainment of License at another U.S. state.

    Should the California Board of Registered Nursing offer you a partial solution, it is among the following items:

    1. Comply with the requirements needed as itemized on the letter of response. If you believe that you have completed your cases before the date of graduation ceremony, and within the structured semestral confines of your RLE and NCM *per* type of case matching----then ask your Nursing School to comply and produce those requested documents.

    2. If your application is deemed incomplete, then a partial solution would be to re-take your cases at an accredited California Nursing School. At this time, no Nursing School or any Nursing business establishment will provided cases for Free, or cases without a paid tuition fee classes associated with the clinical case. (Business-wise it isn't profitable for the school). And it is wishful thinking that the school will consider you, a NON-enrolled student, be prioritized first before their own paying students with tuition-fee obligation---to which the school must commit to graduate.

    3. Since no other school is offering these cases, ONLY the University of San Francisco is offering these cases at this time----the usual requirement by the California Board of Registered Nursing is the completion of Medical Surge and Obstetric Cases-----the usual timeline to complete these cases is One Year. After which, you must still re-apply again in entirety to the Board of Registered Nursing and seek to be approved to take the NCLEX examination, pay the non-refundable application Fee, comply with the required Nursing School documents. Even then, the NCLEX examination approval and the NCLEX passing are *not* guaranteed.


    4. Move on or choose to take up another profession other than Nursing.



    5. Contact your Assembly locality or other Nursing Associations who may shed assistance, advice, or solutions to this delicate matter.

    Hope this Helps. May the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, bless you all and lead you to the right decision.
    The falsified documents mentioned earlier is not from Recto University or any Nursing Schools associated with that name. Rather, the term refers to falsified or doctored transcripts/diplomas which may be obtained for sale along the Claro M. Recto Avenue in Manila, Philippines.

    Such pirated nursing documents were detected by the California Board of Registered Nursing, prompting them to impose strict regulations on non-passing re-applicants, and first-time incoming applicants and RN renewals (Philippine Graduate) in the future
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    Wow, some very serious stuff going on here, people lying about their education background. I can see a lot of people facing some tough times if they are unable to verify their records or transcripts. If they were honest from inception, then they have nothing to worry about and life for them goes on as usual. No harm, no foul.

    But if others did submit documents that were not the truth, were not for real, faked paperwork, etc, then, I guess their nursing career life stops.

    The CA BON will either revoke their license for forever or suspend them temporarily for certain limited time to produce convincing paperwork.

    In the end, for all those that are caught, I say, you can run, but you can't hide, it will give those needed jobs one day to the people who worked hard to achieve their dream by their sacrifices made with their long days and nights of studies and by their own sweat and blood, not by the greed of money and cheating the system.
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    and sadly, the most affected are the people who honestly took the 4-year course.
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    My wife is a recent immigrant and BSN graduate from a Philippine college of nursing. It seems that the CaBRN has blocked almost all foreign educated nurses from licensure by by invoking a previously unused regulation that requires theory and clinical instruction to be in the same semester. (CCR Section 1426(d). According to a publication released by the CaBRN, there are approximately 400,000 active RN's in California of which approximately 80,000 are of Filipino ancestry. I would guess that a very significant percentage of this 80,000 were educated in the Philippines.
    My contention is that this regulation does not result in a better qualified nursing force. Whether or not clinical instruction was completed in a semester or shortly after completion of the semester makes no material difference in the quality of the nurses produced. The fact that such a significant portion of the current licensed RN's are educated in the Philippines and are greatly desired by employers shows that the regulation is not needed. The end result is discrimination against a group of well educated potential nurses who must move to another state in order to practice their profession. My wife and I will be forced to leave the state and I will be separated from my children from a previous marriage. This is just pain wrong and unjust.
    The CaBRN suggests going to a California college to complete the training. The fact is I have yet to find any college that will accept a student who only wants to take a couple of courses. We would be forced to enroll in a complete program.
    What is needed is for everyone is is directly or indirectly affected by this to write to the governor, and their local state senators and assemblymen explaining how discriminiatory this situation is.
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    Quote from bsnbana
    My wife is a recent immigrant and BSN graduate from a Philippine college of nursing. It seems that the CaBRN has blocked almost all foreign educated nurses from licensure by by invoking a previously unused regulation that requires theory and clinical instruction to be in the same semester. (CCR Section 1426(d). According to a publication released by the CaBRN, there are approximately 400,000 active RN's in California of which approximately 80,000 are of Filipino ancestry. I would guess that a very significant percentage of this 80,000 were educated in the Philippines.
    My contention is that this regulation does not result in a better qualified nursing force. Whether or not clinical instruction was completed in a semester or shortly after completion of the semester makes no material difference in the quality of the nurses produced. The fact that such a significant portion of the current licensed RN's are educated in the Philippines and are greatly desired by employers shows that the regulation is not needed. The end result is discrimination against a group of well educated potential nurses who must move to another state in order to practice their profession. My wife and I will be forced to leave the state and I will be separated from my children from a previous marriage. This is just pain wrong and unjust.
    The CaBRN suggests going to a California college to complete the training. The fact is I have yet to find any college that will accept a student who only wants to take a couple of courses. We would be forced to enroll in a complete program.
    What is needed is for everyone is is directly or indirectly affected by this to write to the governor, and their local state senators and assemblymen explaining how discriminiatory this situation is.
    Did you ever start the letter writing campaign? I think maybe you need to also write to the 12 other states in the Union as they are also in the same boat with CA.

    Maybe to a higher up, like Mr. Obama.
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    Quote from BennyRNCA
    As you know, someone here going by the moniker, Santo Nino, mentioned of the latest possible licensing issues with those coming in from the Phillipines. However, no one is yet sure of Santo Nino's sources.

    Anyways, my roommate's friend who has been trying to get this ATT since last year is totally disgusted by the actions of these fellow applicants going thru such drastic actions to get their CA licensure by presenting falsified documents. Because of these individuals, it has now dampen his fighting spirits that they would snoop so low and cause such an uproar with the CA BON to the point of lying and cheating their way in. These individuals were buying their way in with money and deceit versus studying so hard like many of you having to go thru the years of difficulties and sacrifices.
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    He was doing some other research on this subject and I actually posted one of his findings in an earlier thread here under the International section, so give him the credit. But he passed on a few more for those following what's been happening.

    CA BON is just starting their investigations.

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/b...pr11_item9.pdf

    see pg. 262-263 below:

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/e...ials_oct11.pdf



    see pg. 208-209 below:

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/meetings/b...ov11_item9.pdf




    Why hasn't the Filipino Community nor the Filipino oriented community media spoken out this issue even the Filipino Nurses Association here that RN's ?? Unbelievable looks like most of them don't sympathize with thousands of folks like myself that worked out butts off and then because of the few that snoop so low just to get an ATT.
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    Quote from RhanSantiago84
    Why hasn't the Filipino Community nor the Filipino oriented community media spoken out this issue even the Filipino Nurses Association here that RN's ?? Unbelievable looks like most of them don't sympathize with thousands of folks like myself that worked out butts off and then because of the few that snoop so low just to get an ATT.
    My friends and I have asked that many times, they all KNEW of someone who did get their approved CA or other states ATT's by submitting the "Recto" documents and they ranged from very smart students to FAILING students, but guess what? They got in and we're not sure if they actually passed the NCLEX, maybe the smarter ones did but we think the not so smart ones haven't even passed the exam yet or may have gotten caught, we hope that's the case.

    We think the above mentioned hasn't spoken out against it is that there's a very strong feeling that many of their relatives or friends (maybe some themselves, lol) are GUILTY of sending in false documents and may already be working as an RN in some places.

    Exposing their own personal relatives and friends or other close contacts will not make for a good time at the holiday or family gatherings.

    Yes, it's very hard to have the fakers become one of the possible MAIN reasons for the hard line enforcement of the CA BON rules that were looking not only for these greedy and extremely selfish PH students and PH nurses to cause us so much heart aches and massive disappointments, I think it caused the CA BON to see there's been so much fraudulent offenses that's hurts all of us who did the right thing and studied so hard!

    These guilty people from what I hear were also of those preaching and practicing the words of the Lord....those were the ones saying all the time "To God be the Glory" (this is not meaning everyone saying this is bad or guilty, ok) and "Godbless" all the time. Such a bunch of hypocrites!

    In fact, some of my friends that do find out if they know for sure if someone did submit Recto documents, they can easily file with the CA BON a complaint and "remain quiet and nameless" so the guilty person will not know who reported them, I know if my best friend or friends did that, I would report each and everyone of them without thinking twice.
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    Here's an article awhile back. But what caught my attention is this poster from the facebook comment. He said that His cases and theories were concurrent but still California denied his application. advisory for philippine nurses who are planning to apply or take the california nclex-rnIt seems that California is finding every possible way to make sure foreign applicants are given a difficult time. I'm not even sure if completing cases within the time frame of the theory can solve this. There has to be another reason why they are enforcing such strict regulations aside from the falsified documents, the low percentage of NCLEX passers of foreign graduates, and concurrency issues. It's like their covering something up. Could be the recession. Them trying to prioritize US graduates and those who lost their jobs. It does make sense.
    Last edit by JustBeachyNurse on Sep 4, '12 : Reason: Tos
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    Yes, I agree there's always a possibility of some kind of conspiracy therories but really if that was the case, the problem with the FB writer's mention was the timing of his batchmates who are now CA RN's? He needs to clarify the when did they get their RN license as he mentions they are already working, meaning to me, it was prior to the stricter implementation of the CA BON rules. That needs to be clarified so others know.

    He mentions only CA is the ONLY state, well, we know there are 12 others. I don't have or use FB myself, but maybe someone can let the other readers over there of what we know. Actually, in researching this concurrency issue, it was NOT CA that started this, it was AZ!

    I posted up an article on how seriously bad it is and will be for the vast majority of PH nurses trying to get a nursing job in the States. The demand for PH nurses will MAYBE start in the year 2020. But also seriously doubt that will be the case, as more and more US educated grad/nurses are going to fill up the proposed vacancies over the next 10 years or more.

    Here's that article about US Labor Market being real bad until 2020:

    http://allnurses.com/nurse-registrat...et-779683.html

    The US is alone graduating close to 1,000,000 new nurses versus the PH's 145,000 plus, read the article I posted here. Anyone wishing to post up the article on this guy's FB, please do so if you want. The news should be told to many PH students, as they are headed towards a dead end job market for the masses.

    Oh, I'm not saying it's a NEVER get hired or there's NO hope, I don't believe in "never", but it sure will not be easy to get a job in the States.

    The doors are already closing for those PH grads, who they themselves or their parents or nursing relatives, who don't have a way to obtain a SSN legally or without marrying a USC.

    There are NO known hospital sponsorships in CA or in many of the other States, if you know, please post here. What hospital in their right financial minds are going to wait 6 years to sponsor anyone, pay all those fees for what? They need nurses who can work right away, there's NO, absolutely NO patient's that's going to wait 6 years either! Post that up on the guys's FB. They may call you "crazy" or "jealous" or "liar", but in the end, you'll know they'll be coming back saying, "sorry, you're right, we should have listened" one day soon.
    Last edit by steppybay on Sep 4, '12 : Reason: Added link to article


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