BennyRNCA

Yep, to add to the effects of the terrible economy, many of the nurses that wants to retire are mostly likely unable to at this point in time, as there's a good chance their retirement plans and funds have lost a lot in value, so it means they must stay on the job longer, work extra shifts, their spouse may be unemployed and it's been a while since the spouse has actually worked or may have taken a reduction in their take-home pay.

Not 100% sure, there's an exact reason, but more so a combination of reason. Overall bad national economy, the state of CA is going broke (3 medium cities already filed or are in bankruptcy and talks are it's possible LA is broke but delaying the bigger new), hospitals are on very tight budgets, it's very expensive to teach EACH new grad from $25,000 to over $70,000 depending on the facilities and location, Medicare is paying less of the medical cost and reimbursements or are very slow to pay, causing more cash flow issues, there are reported NG programs here that many applicants got thru the interviews only to have the entire program cancelled till another time or some depts. just didn't hire any at all, etc....and these are only partial reasons. The recent CA BON 2011 survey also reports a near 50% unemployment rate for new grads, of which when you mentioned unlike in the past, there's NO nursing shortage for years, yet the schools kept enrolling new students, with real little chances of landing a job. With the flood of new grads of 2012, this picture is only going to get worse. http://www.rn.ca.gov/pdfs/forms/forecasts2011.pdf If you read the CA site, you'll see it's not unusual to find the hospital with hundred's if not in the thousand's of potential new grad applicants with just a few openings, I read the average ratio is 1:100.

I never said anything about the CA BON, as it has nothing to do with the CA BON at all. What is considered to be a "new grad" for those looking for a job in the CA market (and just using CA as an example here) and pertaining primarily to only job applications. So yes, it's up to each facility as you said. Most of the CA hospitals are very specific in their application process watching the date you graduated from nursing school and that frame time is one year AND some are very specific if you worked one day as an RN and some are more lenient. Some say NO prior nursing experience at all (CNA and LVN jobs are okay, since one never used their RN license or should not have to be considered). It has nothing to do when you got your RN license, it's strictly by the graduation date. Here's one as an example: https://allnurses.com/california-nursing/stanford-lucille-packard-703266.html UCLA, UC Davis, UCSF and even the medium size hospitals etal with 95% of them are very much the same with a certain time one can be considered a "new grad", again based on your date of graduation and none to less than one year of RN experience as the application dictates.

Probably hired internals first, no secret interviews, it's just like Kaiser and other hospitals. Due to either union rules or their own employment policies, they have to post up job openings for every section from maintainence needs to new grads to experienced nurses to clerks, and if the current pool of internal applicants don't fit their needs, then the externals are considered.

You mean you graduated in Dec. 2011, not 2010? Depending on what states (i.e., CA) you're looking at, you're considered a "new grad" up to the 12th month after your graduation date and applications are restricted to those dates that they will look at. Some also have zero RN experience to be accepted, some up to 6 mo or less, some less than 1 year. CA for example also has a 43-48% unemployment rate for new grads, cited in the CA BON 2011 nursing survey.

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Forgot to add, just short of San Joaquin Valley College, which is lower, just not sure it's really worth the cost of another for-profit school.

Best to know which state do you want to work in and go from there. The reason is that if you want to really settle in X state, but X state has the SS# requirement, you can get your license in Z state, but may have issues going back (endorse) your license into X state, as you'll need to meet the same requirements as having applied into X state to begin with. There might be another way to circumvent this, just not known exactly how or if possible, as it seems all state's BON's are loooking harder into this process.

To spend all that kind of money and still be known as one of the lowest NCLEX passing rates in CA, you be the judge. Board of Registered Nursing - NCLEX Pass Rates

Not rumors at all, all harsh realities for many foreign educated grads and nurses, as many are not meeting CA BON minimum requirements that have been on the books as written policies since 1987. CA BON is cracking down hard on many applicants. You have to basically be able to pass CA's requirements, even if you're trying to endorse any out-of-state RN license. You have submit your college transcripts and there stands a very high chance, it will be denied. Depending on which country you got your degree from, it ranges from not having taken the clinicals and the theory section in the same semester, not months or years later (concurrency issues) or lacking in certain courses or lacking sufficient hours. It doesn't matter if you have 1,000's of hours of experience, it will always fall back to your original education. This affects just about every country, even those from the UK, Russia, Phillipines, China, India, etc. With the high unemployment of new grads and even experienced nurses in CA alone, I don't think you find CA BON budging off their recent enforcements of the various 25 year old rules. You do have the option of making up those deficient courses, but realize you'll be competing with already enrolled students on a very limited open slots for foreign students, with an excepted time frame of about 18-24 months or longer to complete those. You could ask this same question in the "World Nursing" forum and under the "Nurse Registration" section, just take a peek over there, you'll see plenty of foreign students all caught up in this scenario. Sad, but true.

Just know that there are many countries now, some more than others, that are having their applications denied, either due to concurrency issues or lacking clinical hours or missing certain courses. The application fees submitted to the CA BON is not refundable. I would suggest that you look over in the "World Nursing" section, under the "Nurse Registration", you'll find only a handful if that, have been approved by the CA BON in over a year now. CA BON is cracking down very heavily on an existing regulations that's been on the books since 1987. This applies to even an experienced international nurse with years of experience, everything comes down to the educational requirements. A valid SS# is also needed to apply.

Here's the information about Excelsior from the CA BON website: Board of Registered Nursing - Excelsior College You might want to try the local CA community schools, but recognize that enrollment can be very limited as they are obligated to their already enrolled students. Board of Registered Nursing - RN Programs Or see if you can make up in your state first but I would verify this with the CA BON people in an email.

The reason CA BON tells people, it's on a case by case basis, is it depends on when you obtained your degree from EC. For those that graduated before a certain year, you may be eligible to take the exam or get in via endorsement, but for those pass that certain year, they will most likely deny your application. One person was able to get his license endorsed into CA but had to fight for it, read on: https://allnurses.com/california-nursing/california-rn-endorsement-650723.html You can go to the CA BON site and there's a few pieces of information talking about the EC problem and why EC grads are being rejected. It's under one of their main heading.

They regularly post for those jobs as part of their hiring process, so it must be posted to the public, however, it stipulates the minimum 1 year of experience as they are mostly filled by their internals. A catch-22, you're a new grad but no experience, whereas they have current employees wanting to move up. You can certainly try to apply, doesn't hurt. It's one of the primary hospitals that a lot of the LVN students go after while taking their classes, some even get a volunteer job to get "inside". It's just as competitive as some get hired also thru connections. But if their pool of internals doesn't meet their current needs, they then look for externals. My RN friend works at another Kaiser up north, same thing.