Meeting AHPRA requirements as a International Trained Nurse from the Philippines

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Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.

The petition isn't going far written in all capitals and with poor syntax and illogical references and statements. The choice to use all capitals makes it difficult to read and lacks professionalism. From what I can gather, you feel that because you paid for a bridging program and costs of living you are entitled to work rights. The government does not owe you a visa simply because you completed a bridging program to bring your educational credentials up to the country standards. The Australian government and citizens owe nothing to overseas nurses trying to immigrate. You say 10% of potential employers offer sponsorship which is definitely a greater percentage than US employers. Applications should not be easy as they are a screening tool for human resources to quickly eliminate those unqualified.

Just because you find job postings that does not mean you are equally or more qualified than a citizen or resident. Much of the world is suffering from cuts in healthcare finding...USA, Canada, UK, AUS, and much of the EU.

I can see the frustration of those who are stuck in limbo with the change in requirements for APHRA assessment. I don't think APHRA realized adding & changing requirements would be so complicated. Your petition does not address this situation

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Specializes in Cardiovascular Nursing.

Any updates regarding AHPRA's decision to grant filipino nurses letter of eligibilities for the bridging?

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Specializes in Renal, dialysis.

@ whoever posted the petition.

I hate doing grammar police work, but to be taken seriously, you should at least have it proofread.. And yes, writing on all capitals is incredibly rude.

Importantly, there's a lot of errors in your logic and reasoning used. I will be annoyed if that were addressed to me, not sympathetic.

All developed countries that rely on labour outsourcing have what you call a resident labour market test, a system in place to make sure that you don't displace locals if you were to get a job as in immigrant looking for sponsorship. That's why, at a minimum, you should be more skilled than a local, and essentially at least with the same qualification. Doing a BP doesn't justify that I'm afraid, as expensive as it is.

What I will suggest you do, is calibrate your English and practise and do better at interviews, go for more remote areas and apply for a job there. Or go get a trans-Tasman? Registration to NZ, you may have less competition there.

Seems like most Uk nurses are going to be back in the market and it'll be even more difficult to get a job, UK nurses are very task oriented, but they are known to be good nurses.

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Specializes in Renal, dialysis.

@official

i agree it's taking a while.

But to get a pin or license number in any country takes a while.. In the Phil, we take the board in June and get registered around oct. But the application process alone to get an exam is incredibly tedious.

to do an nclex after that is pretty much the same.

canada, you have to go crne, and skills assessment.

Japan you have to take the Japanese board in Japanese necessitating level 2 , jlpt proficiency at least.

uk- it takes many months too although they are changing it now.

Point is - there were applicants who wAited for 8-13 months for Ahpra and was before the changes. I knew an Irish nurse with a degree and ok exp, waited for 7 months 2 years ago, this was all before the changes.

and all the delays in aus, is also Bec they prioritised uk nurses who migrated already last year which isn't Ahpra's doing but Bec they got through anmac and immigration which is the govt responsibility essentially.

Uk nurses were owed, for the inconsistencies in the system, we aren't, yet anyway.

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It would not hurt if you just sign the PETITION. Look, many Employers dont sponsor Overseas Registered Nurse because of the policies imposed on 457 VISA. Yes, theres alot of vacancy, Ive applied to countless Hospitals but most of them replied that they do not offer sponsorship. Yes, there is still sponsorship but its lile1 of 10 institution, and believe me its not that easy to apply even online as you have to fill up alot of questions and selection criteria. I know because im a reg nurse now in Australia.

The petition that you're requesting to be signed has already been SIGNED (of a different kind) and by 33,389 non-supporters of the 457 Visa and they closed it as it quickly surpassed the 20,000 required signatures.

The petition you're asking to be signed must meet or exceed it to have any success. But at the end of the day, I don't think the AU government will give this petition you refer to much after thoughts since the citizens of AU have spoken up and really, the AU political members need right "votes" that the non-AU residents can't provide.

Read their petition of the 33,389 supporters: http://www.change.org/p/federal-government-review-457-visa-for-nurses-in-australia Click it.

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As it was previously mentioned, yes, the PH nurses had to make the family and financial sacrifices and the time (4 years minimum) spent, but so has the AU students and in fact, maybe more $$ since it's years not months to take the nursing programs.

I think the PH uprising against the AU (and other countries) are actually pointing their weapons the WRONG way! With the much larger population of the Phils, the aim should be towards the PH government and the hospital system, they should build more hospitals, more modern clinics etc.

It is so wrong to make a PH student or new nurse have to pay for the training just to get experience in a hospital. These hospitals have a captured and long list of willing paying customers and still make more money even without these "payments" to the hospital.

You guys need to change your direction if you really are serious being a nurse. Is the PH government broke? Heck no, they have more funds than most other countries given the same financial statements and population. But the greedy hands and heads of the Phils lays blame to bringing up the standards, this is where you guys should be protesting at.

Ideally, one day, you can actually work in a PH hospital with a good paying salary and enjoy the nightlife of the Phils (you guys know what I'm talking about like going out to eat after your late night shifts, enjoying a nice time at the movies, getting together with nursing and non-nursing friends for a drink etc), these are some of the simple pleasures of life to be able to stay in the Phils.

So stop "barking up" at the wrong tree (other countries govt.) and bite the real true cause (PH politics) of why 100,000's want to leave the Phils.

Btw, I'm a pinay also ;-)

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Specializes in EENT, MS, Aged Care.

@ordoghaz

When everything is so monotonous and what is left is some shaking then I'm joining the bandwagon who would act and do something than wait and make wishes. Atleast, I'm doing myself a favor like some would step a little further for themselves. I cannot just sit and do nothing.

This is not a teething problem anymore. If some would like to endure another 10-11 months of waiting. I dare not to. And yes, I've been waiting for about 4 months only.

Hopefully, I'm out early from work later for the Twitter chat. I presume that most of tweets will be coming from UK nurses caught in limbo and applied after AHPRA changes. Their saga is not yet over. As for us Filipinos, I hope to voice out my questions regarding the matter concerning us Filipinos with prayer that my tweet will be seen and answered from the ocean of other tweets.

A little tweet is not a sacrifice for a little change to happen.

It won't hurt also. :)

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Specializes in EENT, MS, Aged Care.
The petition that you're requesting to be signed has already been SIGNED (of a different kind) and by 33,389 non-supporters of the 457 Visa and they closed it as it quickly surpassed the 20,000 required signatures.

The petition you're asking to be signed must meet or exceed it to have any success. But at the end of the day, I don't think the AU government will give this petition you refer to much after thoughts since the citizens of AU have spoken up and really, the AU political members need right "votes" that the non-AU residents can't provide.

Read their petition of the 33,389 supporters: http://www.change.org/p/federal-government-review-457-visa-for-nurses-in-australia Click it.

Hi.

What happened to this petition?

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Specializes in Applied @ Aphra NSW -5/20/14.

Hi guys ahpra twitter chat will start in an hour please lets all join up.

#ahpraqanda

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Specializes in Pediatrics.

Wow, things have escalated but I concur with silverdragon. We're the foreigners in this case and we are a threat to their work force.

Going back to the purpose of this thread, here are little snapshots of the live chat with AHPRA. I can say that the Filipinos tried but it would appear that AHPRA is hell-bent on sending PH nurses for the BP. It's just a matter of waiting for the LoEs. AHPRA refused to comment on any tweets requesting for a time frame.

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@AHPRA and we do have processes in authenticating a school through the CHED. This does not meet criteria 2 & 3? #ahpraqanda

@joshibeans yes but does not meet requirement of equivalence with Australian qualifications #ahpraqanda

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@AHPRA Just to straighten things out, Philippine nurses meet criteria 2&3 but does not match Australian qualif. Hence, the BP? #ahpraqanda

@joshibeans Philippine accreditation processes do not meet criteria 2 & 3 based on research & expert advice #ahpraqanda

Well, there goes the money we paid for all the CHED processes, what a waste.

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@AHPRA In essence, Philippine Registered Nurses are considered AQF 7 because our profession is regulated, am I right? #ahpraqanda

@joshibeans Not quite, qualification must be equivalent at AQF7 level on assessment and meet other criteria #ahpraqanda

This is disturbing, let's hope they still refer to the AEI-NOOSR for that because based form the 2009 report, all qualif if regulated should meet the equivalent AQF level.

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It was mentioned in the tweet chat that PH and Indian nurses are similar.We were asked to look at Q5 of this page

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Specializes in EENT, MS, Aged Care.

Awful!

Disgrace to our accreditation process? That was foul.

All along, we are debating what AQF level do we belong. Apparently, AHPRA answered, "AQF 7"!

I was stunned. This is the result of their additional research.

However, AHPRA said we will still be referred to BP!

On what grounds?!

Behold my dear Pinoy RNs, we do not meet criteria 2 and 3!

It pains me more. What happened to CHED?

AHPRA said:

"Philippine accreditation processes do not meet criteria 2 & 3 based on research & expert advice."

"Accreditation system not equivalent based on our research and expert advice."

Awful!

They are simply saying that we don't have overseas qualification.

What made it different? Yes, upfront we can answer that. But how?

What made it not equivalent?

What kind of research did they do? Did they consult CHED? Or BON? Or our schools?

Shame!

I want to make an appeal.

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Specializes in EENT, MS, Aged Care.

@jmolina1985

We meet criteria 4. We are AQF 7! Done with that.

What pains me a lot is not meeting criteria 2 and 3?!

Some sort of artistic differences, cultural differences in terms of process and system made us not eligible?

This is not the outcome I was expecting. I was expecting that they mark us below AQF7. However... Not.

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