Young, Thin, and Cute New Hires - page 9

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  1. Visit  RNdynamic profile page
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    It is silly of you to stereotype all 'older' nurses as fat and ugly. Please show more respect for the nurses who are old enough to be our mothers, for their life experiences are invaluable.
    Commuter, try to follow what's going on. That was my point. All I did was take your thread title and insert opposite adjectives to the stereotypical ones that your title included. If it's wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations. By saying it's silly of me to stereotype by mirroring your very own thread, you're sort of negating all of what you originally said.

    You may want to go back and reevaluate your intention in starting this thread, and then come to terms with your own biases and prejudices. That's something you're supposed to learn pretty early on in nursing school.
    Last edit by RNdynamic on Mar 1, '13
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  3. Visit  mc3 profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic
    Commuter, try to follow what's going on. That was my point. All I did was take your thread title and insert opposite adjectives to the stereotypical ones that your title included. If it's wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations. By saying it's silly of me to stereotype by mirroring your very own thread, you're sort of negating all of what you originally said.

    You may want to go back and reevaluate your intention in starting this thread, and then come to terms with your own biases and prejudices. That's something you're supposed to learn pretty early on in nursing school.

    Uh oh...............
    (hiding behind couch)
    mc3
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  4. Visit  TheCommuter profile page
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    Quote from mc3
    Uh oh...............
    (hiding behind couch)
    mc3
    No need to hide behind the virtual couch, mc3. I'm not taking the bait of one who has not learned to skip threads with controversial subject matter.

    Seriously, no one is twisting anyone's arm and making anybody take offense. No one is forcing a couple of individuals to read this thread. If one dislikes the subject matter, perhaps it is time to move onto another thread filled with the Pollyannas, 'Yes-people,' and phonies who will tell you everything you want to hear.
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    No need to hide behind the virtual couch, mc3. I'm not taking the bait of one who has not learned to skip threads with controversial subject matter.

    Seriously, no one is twisting anyone's arm and making anybody take offense. No one is forcing a couple of individuals to read this thread. If one dislikes the subject matter, perhaps it is time to move onto another thread filled with the Pollyannas, 'Yes-people,' and phonies who will tell you everything you want to hear.
    One thing I like about you, Commuter, is you always take the high road.... I wasn't so much worried about you as I was about the OP!!

    mc3
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  6. Visit  PureLifeRN profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic
    Commuter, try to follow what's going on. That was my point. All I did was take your thread title and insert opposite adjectives to the stereotypical ones that your title included. If it's wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations. By saying it's silly of me to stereotype by mirroring your very own thread, you're sort of negating all of what you originally said.
    Thank you. That is exactly what I was trying to convey. You can't have it both ways. Ageism is wrong, no matter what age you are biased against.
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  7. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    Life is one big beauty contest.
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  8. Visit  Geslina profile page
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    Agreed. When I was in nursing school, at least half of my 80 student class were over 30, many in their 40's, and a few even past that. Nursing is a second career for many people. I happen to be in the over 30 crowd, and am neither fat, or ugly. In fact, the heaviest students in our group were the younger ones. And this trend of "older" nurses coming on board is here to stay, what with the economy and people retiring later in life now. As for aegism, I am not so sure it will matter as much as we are worrying it will. There are a lot of things about younger nurses that do not make them desirable employees - they might tend to change jobs more often, they have more of a nightlife meaning they may come to work after being out late, they may have young children at home, or decide at some point to marry and have children - all things that COULD make them less stable employees in some situations. These are things that many older nurses have already grown past. Ageism can go both ways.
    (not saying that all younger nurses are one way - because they aren't, or that having kids makes you a less reliable employee - but there are good and bad things about younger nurses, just as there are about older ones.)

    The way I see it, you go to work, you work hard, you do your best to be the best nurse you can be. You keep as fit and healthy as possible, have a positive attitude, and treat those around you with kindness and respect. Your attitude, your work ethics, and your personality will speak for itself, and you will be fine.


    Quote from TheCommuter
    It is silly of you to stereotype all 'older' nurses as fat and ugly. Please show more respect for the nurses who are old enough to be our mothers, for their life experiences are invaluable.
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  9. Visit  dirtyhippiegirl profile page
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    Meh. I'm only 28 but II look at the cohort of 21-22 year-old new grads that my unit just hired and think, damn, they seem so much younger, skinnier, and prettier than me.
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  10. Visit  Jenni811 profile page
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    Oh dear...this has gotten ridiculous. I never once said "I am a 24 year old that knows it all." Yea I have a lot to learn but that is what is great about young/new nurses. We are eager to learn. Medicine is changing so much. Even in just the 2 years I've been a nurse there have been major changes. I can't even imagine the changes older nurses have seen. You guys are making it sound like I have no respect for them when you older nurses are the ones showing no respect for us young nurses. All I'm saying is we deserve the same respect you guys think you deserve. Just because your "older" does not mean I have to bow down to you. If you respect me, I will respect you. I do not appreciate being judged on me being young, my looks, my size or anything. I want to be seen as a nurse who is a member of YOUR team! You tell us to get to know and learn from your older nurses. Well how about you do the same for us?? The rule "respect your elders" doesn't apply anymore. Atleast not to me. I don't care if you are 18, 65 or 85. Stop being judgemental towards them. They were hired for a reason, not at random. They obviously have something that the hospital saw and liked in them. They didn't hire them because they are cute and with cute nurses at the bedside they will get better satisfaction scores.
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  11. Visit  Jenni811 profile page
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    Quote from imintrouble

    I think RNdynamic simply thinks old is ugly, as does most of society. They can't see past the wrinkles, and the thinning hair, to view the depth, strength and character.
    Therein lies the problem
    You tell ha to see past the wrinkles? How about you see past the young/cute nurses looks to view their depth strength and character? It goes both ways my dear.
  12. Visit  brandy1017 profile page
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    Life is a beauty contest like the OP said. For as much as America pushes education as the key to everything, go to school and you'll have a great future, blah, blah, blah! The truth is looks matter probably too much in this society more than education. Looks and who you know. You just have to deal with it and find some way to cope with this reality as you age or whatever! Do I wish it was true that education and experience really mattered, sure, but you have to find some way to live in the reality that looks matter too. No getting around it! I know older nurses who had been forced out to save money and others laid off and unable to find full time employment, other than with temp agencies. It's not just looks, its also money, experienced nurses expect a better wage which is in direct conflict with corporate bottom dollar policies. What can you do? If your young and pretty and in the driver's seat save your money for when things won't be going so swell, pay off your house, get your debts paid off and have an emergency fund for the future! Also people get jobs thru who they know as well so it pays to network as much as possible and stay on good terms with coworkers, supervisors even if this can be difficult in the stressful work environment! Work for a unionized hospital if you have a choice than you'll be less likely to be downsized to make way for a new improved and more beautiful replacement! Save money in a roth IRA you can tap it in an emergency without the 10% penalty that 401k or 403b have. Also if you have the option of a 457b consider saving money in that as there is no early withdrawal penalty thru some fluke. What I miss the most about being young is the optimistic hopeful attitude I had back then, but that was truthfully only an illusion because I had not seen the reality of life and now thru experience realize we take so much for granted, our jobs, our health, our family. We can't predict the future so we have to try to protect ourselves and our loved ones as much as we can in this life! I've witnessed coworkers young and full of life get felled by disability due to freak accident, to cancer, to stroke and to even suicide. It is very sad! God only knows why these things happened and you realize it could just as easily be you so take nothing for granted and try to treat each other with kindness young old, pretty, ugly, skinny, or fat because you don't know what your coworkers are going thru!
  13. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from brandy1017
    Life is a beauty contest like the OP said. For as much as America pushes education as the key to everything, go to school and you'll have a great future, blah, blah, blah! The truth is looks matter probably too much in this society more than education. Looks and who you know. You just have to deal with it and find some way to cope with this reality as you age or whatever! Do I wish it was true that education and experience really mattered, sure, but you have to find some way to live in the reality that looks matter too. No getting around it! I know older nurses who had been forced out to save money and others laid off and unable to find full time employment, other than with temp agencies. It's not just looks, its also money, experienced nurses expect a better wage which is in direct conflict with corporate bottom dollar policies. What can you do? If your young and pretty and in the driver's seat save your money for when things won't be going so swell, pay off your house, get your debts paid off and have an emergency fund for the future! Also people get jobs thru who they know as well so it pays to network as much as possible and stay on good terms with coworkers, supervisors even if this can be difficult in the stressful work environment! Work for a unionized hospital if you have a choice than you'll be less likely to be downsized to make way for a new improved and more beautiful replacement! Save money in a roth IRA you can tap it in an emergency without the 10% penalty that 401k or 403b have. Also if you have the option of a 457b consider saving money in that as there is no early withdrawal penalty thru some fluke. What I miss the most about being young is the optimistic hopeful attitude I had back then, but that was truthfully only an illusion because I had not seen the reality of life and now thru experience realize we take so much for granted, our jobs, our health, our family. We can't predict the future so we have to try to protect ourselves and our loved ones as much as we can in this life! I've witnessed coworkers young and full of life get felled by disability due to freak accident, to cancer, to stroke and to even suicide. It is very sad! God only knows why these things happened and you realize it could just as easily be you so take nothing for granted and try to treat each other with kindness young old, pretty, ugly, skinny, or fat because you don't know what your coworkers are going thru!
    ^Well said above the fray!!! I believe that is where the OP was headed.

    Great OP Commuter! I am fortunate that the group that I was a part of when I was hired at my new position was of various shapes and sizes, and experiences. I was the only new grad. The floor I work on has such a great skill mix, there is PLENTY of experience to go around. Most staff is 3+ to 20+, with leadership 5+ to 25+ years.

    While I have the eternally young face-I looked like I was 12 when I was 19 when I started as a ED tech, to now "19-early 20s" at the tender age of 31, soon to be 32, if they expected the young good looking athletic build, they can look at my birthday and my medical history, lol, they didn't get that package...and "pretty" is relative, but does get lumped into the youth thing.
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  14. Visit  Susie2310 profile page
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    Quote from Jenni811
    You tell ha to see past the wrinkles? How about you see past the young/cute nurses looks to view their depth strength and character? It goes both ways my dear.
    How do you think one develops depth, strength, and character? Try life experience, which you don't have a lot of when you're young.
    Last edit by Susie2310 on Mar 2, '13


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