MAs call themselves Nurses at my office..opinions please? - page 5

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Hi, I have been an LPN for 2 1/2 years and am a new Grad-RN since 9/2011. I got a job working at a Dermatology Office last November. It's the only job I could get, and I am making the best of it. They have me training to... Read More


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    Course
    BIO 163 Basic Anatomy & Physiology
    NUR 101 Practical Nursing I
    PSY 150 General Psychology
    Select one of the following:
    CIS 110 Basic PC Literacy
    CIS 113 Computer Basics
    Spring
    Course Name
    ENG 111 Expository Writing
    NUR 102 Practical Nursing II
    NUR 117 Pharmacology
    Summer
    Course Name
    NUR 103 Practical Nursing III
    TOTAL CREDIT HOURS
    47-48

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    That's the same school, LPN program, which, by the way, requires a only 2.5 as opposed to a 3.0.

    The point of all this is that the medical assistant bashing in this thread is misplaced. From a anthropological point of view it is interesting. Nurses have to feel superior to someone, so they kick around the MAs. OK, intellectually I understand why. My point is, you picked the wrong group. Many MAs are licensed professionals and better educated than half the people here who call themselves nurses. On this forum it has become generally accepted dogma that LPNs and RNs deserve the same title and respect, so by the same token you are going to have to extend that to MAs, be they the degreed or diploma brand. In short, I think you need another group to feel superior to. Perhaps you should be trash talking the hospital volunteers.
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    The point of the thread was not to bash or disrespect MA's or anyone else but to state that it is not correct for anyone to call themself a nurse if they have not earned that title. MA's deserve respect...but that has nothing to do with their title.
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    Not all states have CMA status and I don't get the feeling there is any trash talking. As a nurse with a Doctoral degree I am sure you understand the legalities of someone using the title "Nurse" and it has become legally protected in most states which has also been supported by the ANA......
    Title "Nurse" Protection :Title "Nurse" Protection

    Background

    Restricting use of the title "nurse" to only those individuals who have fulfilled the requirements for licensure as outlined in each state's nurse practice act is a protection for the public against unethical, unscrupulous, and incompetent practitioners. Nurse practice acts describe entry level qualifications such as education, practice standards and code of conduct for continued privilege to practice nursing. Limiting use of the title "nurse" to only those who have satisfied the licensure requirements ensures the protection the public deserves.

    At least 37 states are known to have language in their Nurse Practice Act; either explicit in restricting use of the title "nurse" to only those who are licensed or implicit language restricting use of any words implying the individual is a licensed nurse.....

    AR, AZ
    , CA, CO, DE, FL, GA, HI, ID, IL, KS, KY, MD, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NM, NY, NC, ND, OK, OR, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, VT, WA, WV, WI, WY

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    The OP intent was calling attention to a situation in her office and not necessarily pertaining to your place of employment nor your state. The MA's, in your state, take a certification exam and not a licensing exam.
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    Quote from BlueDevil,DNP
    That's the same school, LPN program, which, by the way, requires a only 2.5 as opposed to a 3.0.

    The point of all this is that the medical assistant bashing in this thread is misplaced. From a anthropological point of view it is interesting. Nurses have to feel superior to someone, so they kick around the MAs. OK, intellectually I understand why. My point is, you picked the wrong group. Many MAs are licensed professionals and better educated than half the people here who call themselves nurses. On this forum it has become generally accepted dogma that LPNs and RNs deserve the same title and respect, so by the same token you are going to have to extend that to MAs, be they the degreed or diploma brand. In short, I think you need another group to feel superior to. Perhaps you should be trash talking the hospital volunteers.
    From some of your previous posts on this forum, it's obvious that you feel superior to non-NP nurses. What makes your DNP any better than a BSN other than your scope of practice?
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    I don't know where you got such an idea, dirtyhippygirl, for nothing could be further from the truth. I have spent the plurality of my career as a non NP. I am not so much into self loathing. I feel neither superior nor inferior to anyone. You have essentially given voice to the quintessence of my own posts in this thread, lol.

    Your second query is a different thread for a different time.

    The primary debate in this has been, should medical assistants refer to themselves as nurses. We are in perfect agreement, no, they should not. Nor should nurses not as qualified as medical assistants refer to themselves as thus. Can we agree on this as well?

    Statements such as "they like the status bump" or something to that effect (I'm not going to go back and look) seem to imply that medical assistants are somehow "less than" nurses, were interpreted by me as pejorative. If there were not then intended to imply (incorrectly as it turns out) that medical assistants are inferior in status or education to nurses, I am not sure how I misinterpreted the meaning of this remark and others of the vein that I shall not bother to go back and quote. Forgive my misunderstanding then. I am quite sure the posters meant something else entirely. I'll wait with interest for them to explain what it was they did mean.
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    Wow, what state do you live in? My nursing curriculum looked nothing like that. I also noticed you added the pre-reqs in with the CMA's curriculum. And MA's are certified, not licensed, there is a difference. The main issue is when someone hears the title "nurse" they expect someone who has a certain knowledge that is taught to nurses. MA's are taught the how, LPN's are taught the how and the why and the what to do, and are exposed to much more through clinicals and such. With all this being said, I do not think MA's are any less than me, it is not a battle of who is better, it is a matter of what is legal and what is not. And like someone else says, the only person who matters is the patient anyway.
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    MY nursing curriculum in my Diploma program:

    NURSING FUNDAMENTALS
    ANATOMY & PHYSIOLOGY 1 & 11
    MICROBIOLOGY
    CHEMISTRY 1 & 11
    NUTRITION
    MED SURG I II III
    PHARMOCOLOGY PEDIATRICS OB PSYCH NURSING
    SPEECH and ENGLISH
    CHILD PSYCH AND ADOLESCANT PSYCH

    MY BSN program added:
    PATHOPHYSIOLOGY
    ORGANIC CHEMISTY
    INORGANIC CHEMISTRY
    PUBLIC HEALTH NURSING
    PSYCHOLOGY
    SOCIOLOGY
    AMERICAN HISTORY
    COMMUNITY HEALTH NURSING
    A PLETHORA OF OTHER CLASSES AND REQUIRED ELECTIVES

    I am sure that I left other classes out.
    The point is that MAs learn how to be, "gofers", for doctors in an office setting., and to do tasks.
    RNs and LPNs, are TAUGHT how to care for patients, and their special medical/surgical needs, observe changes in their condition, and KNOW how to react and treat, the changes in the patients' condition.

    Yes, MAs have their place, but for an MA to state to a patient or family member, that they are, "just like a nurse", is fraud, and deliberatly misleading, and devalues the education, skills and knowledge of REAL nurses.

    JMHO and my NY $0.02
    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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    It's very simple, really. If you are not a licensed nurse--you are not a nurse. The title carries with it a certain level of responsibility and education (not time, but content). A CMA/MA should identify themselves appropriately, and then docs and patients will catch on. I drew blood and ran lab tests but never called myself the lab technician. Same with taking xrays. I am a nurse because I went to school to be a nurse and took my boards and passed, earning my title of RN or Nurse. I have been taught the nursing process as well as disease process. I can function in a doctor's office or a hospital. The same cannot be said for a CMA/MA. CMAs/MAs should be proud of what they do and also be protecting their title as they earned it. Badges should include title so the public is aware of who is caring for them.
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    Again, "gofer" is rude, condescending and inaccurate.

    I don't know why you insist this behavior, but I don't think we are ever going to get anywhere here, so I'll leave you to your notions, such as they are.


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