Nurses in trouble get second chances - Minnesota - page 2

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Minnesota State regulators say they protect the public with a closer watch on caregivers accused of misconduct. Those who lost loved ones want them to do more. Elda Bothun lay unconscious on her bed inside a Bloomington... Read More


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    Quote from SDALPN
    I think each situation needs to be evaluated separately. Nurses are human and deserve another chance just as any other person in any other job. What these nurses did was wrong and they should be disciplined. They went beyond incompetence. The nursing home is probably just as much as fault for overloading the nurses with too many patients. But I think with some situations that our licenses shouldn't be taken immediately. If anyone reading this can say they have never made a mistake, they are lying!! If any nurse who has done nursing for many years says they have never made a mistake in nursing, they are lying. I was attacked by a man and pressed charges against him. He got out of jail and pressed fake charges against me and continues to harrass me to this day. The last incident was him paying a neighborhood kid to go to the magistrate to press fake charges against me (the kid was dumb enough to claim this incident happened while I have proof I was at work at the time and was working in a school with cameras). I've never commited any crimes and I'm not a violent person. But if I ever moved and applied for a license in another state, I could be denied because of something I didn't do. All the charges show that I have never been convicted and that the charges have been dropped. But I still have to explain that to employers. So I think it really should be a case by case situation. I have never had a DUI/DWI. But I don't think that has anything to do with nursing as long as the nurse is sober on the job. DUI/DWI is wrong no matter how you look at it, but if it doesn't effect job performance it shouldn't matter on the job. It makes me think that the boards of nursing are just making sure they look busy so they can keep a job and a good public reputation. Back to those 2 nurses, I feel they should be held responsible because any human or layperson with any values would try to do something if someone were having a heart attack. I think their biggest fault was not trying to do anything at all. But I think the boards go too far in taking away someones way to make a living sometimes. If the board cared, they would offer classes specifically in the area the nurse was lacking in and rehab the nurse (in most cases). The nurse should also take a refresher course and pass. Maybe a psych eval or therapy for a nurse that maybe is in a rough time in their life. Maybe its not the nurse, but the situation they are in at the time. I think there are many options for each individual situation that the board should consider before pulling a license for good.
    Certain individuals were repeatedly "remediated" and STILL were giving incompetent care...I can't condone THAT.

    Your situation was VERY unfortunate; but in some of these nurses cases, like I said in my state, they would've had some restrictions the first time; second offense, license suspended.

    Some of these cases are awful in terms of the patient falling on their face and their eye displaced. Or, better yet, the make nurse posing as a female nurse online and helping with suicides has patient assault charges against him overturned before he was caught...the ones who have a pattern of behavior that have no position to be practicing because their are underlying dangerous behaviors.
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    Quote from RNOTODAY
    Those nurses were foreign, blast me all you please, that made a difference
    Some were not...
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    Certain individuals were repeatedly "remediated" and STILL were giving incompetent care...I can't condone THAT.

    Your situation was VERY unfortunate; but in some of these nurses cases, like I said in my state, they would've had some restrictions the first time; second offense, license suspended.

    Some of these cases are awful in terms of the patient falling on their face and their eye displaced. Or, better yet, the make nurse posing as a female nurse online and helping with suicides has patient assault charges against him overturned before he was caught...the ones who have a pattern of behavior that have no position to be practicing because their are underlying dangerous behaviors.
    If there is repeated offenses, then yes, something needs to be done. There seems to be so many "first strike you are out" for nurses compared to other professions. IMO, that is not fair. An example would be a dui. If a nurse is out at dinner with friends and has one too many drinks, and gets pulled over for a dui (I'm not talking hitting people, swerving and killing someone), but has a headlight out or is a bit over the speed limit and would not have been caught otherwise, they should not have their licenses pulled.
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    I agree that there needs to be a limit to extra chances. If a mistake is made more than once and the nurse doesn't learn their lesson the first time...its not a mistake. But if the nurse makes a med error that harms a pt and then 10 years later has a drink too many and has been reported for both, shouldn't lose his/her license over that. I don't think that makes the nurse incompetent or dangerous. Again, it should be a case by case basis.

    I don't think a restricted license does any good unless the nurse has a drug problem and they are restricted for that. I have seen too many job ads say that nurses must have an unrestricted license. How does a nurse find a job that way? I think there are better ways to handle the discipline. Taking food out of someones mouth or their childs (by taking away their ability to work) because of a simple mistake is too harsh.
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    Quote from RNOTODAY
    Those nurses were foreign, blast me all you please, that made a difference
    Not all the nurses in the article were foreign.
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    at what point, however, does the obligation turn to the facility? I've never been hired in a caregiving position (case management, mental health counseling, group homes, nursing SCHOOL) where I haven't had to do a background check. Granted, it won't catch some of this but for felonies and such?
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    Quote from krisiepoo
    at what point, however, does the obligation turn to the facility? I've never been hired in a caregiving position (case management, mental health counseling, group homes, nursing SCHOOL) where I haven't had to do a background check. Granted, it won't catch some of this but for felonies and such?


    The people who have a clean record always have the potential to be convicted of a crime. The people with convictions have more to lose if they make another mistake. I don't think the facility can control a nurses actions 100%. I would fault the facility for overstaffing, putting nurses on the floor that haven't had proper training, etc. We have the right to refuse an assignment. But these facilities can be dishonest about the situation before we accept the assignment. We also know that if we refuse an unsafe assignment that we can be fired for it. So it puts nurses under pressure to make poor choices to keep food on their table. So with that, I think the facilities could be just as much at fault.
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    For real? My name is foreign but I can assure you that I was born and raised in the US not that it matters. So we're basing nurses competence based on names now? Gotcha
    Quote from RNOTODAY
    Those nurses were foreign, blast me all you please, that made a difference
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    Quote from ArtClassRN
    My first job in healthcare was in one of those and it was horrible.
    And when I say "One of those" I mean specifically one of the facilities mentioned in the article.
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    Those nurses were foreign, blast me all you please, that made a difference
    Racism has no place in nursing. Not every foreign nurse is incompetent and not every incompetent nurse is foreign. Grow up!


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