Why do so many people insist that LPN'S AREN'T REAL NURSES!!?? - page 20

I mean, the title does have "Nurse" in it.So why are so many people insisting that LPN's arent real nurses? When I go to the hospital, I see these people giving medication , care, comfort and other... Read More

  1. by   Nurse Fee Fee
    Wow 1realcuteLVN, you have an interesting take on the LPN. The education I recieved to become a LPN was in no way little bit and to be called a Nurse Assisant Technican or anything like that is just plan crazy, I may have 2 semester less of an education to become an RN, but the fact of the matter is I am a REAL NURSE, whether it be an LPN RN/ADN RN/BSN, when it comes down to saving someones life I am a real nurse just like they are. Every profession has a graduated level, with each step you take you get more trained and educated in the field of your choice.

    I am sure my patients pass and present are extremely happy that I just don't pass meds and help the CNAs, and to clarify they help us the Nurse/LPN, and to put it in even more prespective you can become an CNA in 6wks were as the LPN has 2 years and externship and extensive clinicals to become a nurse. At my current position I supervise RNs go figure huh, I am every bit a Real Nurse as the RN and I am respected very much respected, and I don't know an LPN that makes my salary, if so God Bless her that is wonderful.

    You sound just as bad as the RN that belittle LPNs. As for LPN being an American Entry Level position and still being a Nurse if you leave the US, check your facts dear you are still a NURSE, here a website that has plenty of position for LPNs in the UK.... lpn jobs in United Kingdom | careerjet.co.uk

    I am A proud LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE, YES I SAID NURSE......
  2. by   Fiona59
    LPNs don't exist anymore in the UK. They were called State Enrolled Nurses. They were phased out in the late '80s. The government offered them the education to upgrade to SRN.

    The demise of the SEN is widely commented on in the UK and felt.

    Australia still educates Enrolled Nurses.

    The job postings you've listed are for Birmingham Alabama.
  3. by   kids
    Quote from Nurse Fee Fee
    You sound just as bad as the RN that belittle LPNs. As for LPN being an American Entry Level position and still being a Nurse if you leave the US, check your facts dear you are still a NURSE, here a website that has plenty of position for LPNs in the UK.... lpn jobs in United Kingdom | careerjet.co.uk

    I am A proud LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE, YES I SAID NURSE......
    Click on the jobs in your link, despite the search terms entered they ALL turn up jobs in the US, even the ones that say "England" or have "English" sounding location names.

    <redacted> Senior Living- England - England ---Hampton Cove, Alabama
    <redacted> Care & Rehabilitation Center-Winchester ---Winchester, New Hampshire
    <redacted> Senior Communities-Somerset ---Somerset, New Jersey
    <redacted> Communities-Enfield, Greater London--- Enfield Nova Scotia Canada

    I'll stop there and let you look for yourself.

    It's great your LPN was a 2 year program but the reality is there are plenty of schools out there who get folks through the NCLEX-PN in under a year, it's one of many reasons that with few exceptions, outside the US and Canada the LPN isn't recognized. It's not an opinion or condemnation of LPNs or their education, it's a fact.
  4. by   Nurse Fee Fee
    It is still not a reason to not consider an LPN a real nurse. The face of the matter is in a life or death situation, and there is only a LPN available are you going to tell her step back don't save my life because you not a real Nurse, nobody in there right mind would do such, atleast I hope not. People get a grip LPN's are real nurses, my training/education to become a nurse, included IV training and certification, starting and giving blood along with all the wonderful things that they taught in nursing school as well as pushing some iv meds and flushing....I will say that nursing back years ago was more of a team effort than today, I hear that so often from older nurses both RN and LPN in alike. Let just please get along and make our profession greater than it is now, a nurse with a team mindset and is so much better than a nurse who thinks she can go it alone.....
  5. by   GAOchoa
    at the Hospital where I did my clinical hours, I heard an RN from PEDS call LPNs "Glorified CNAs". That's so inmature knowing that she once was an LPN herself. LPNs are defiantely nurses, but RNs just have more schooling that's all!!! My Pharmacology instructor, who is a wonderful OB/Gyn Nurse Practitioner, spoke on our graduation, and said that the best "nurses" that she has ever worked with are the ones that went from CNA-LPN-RN!!!
  6. by   Fiona59
    Quote from kids
    Click on the jobs in your link, despite the search terms entered they ALL turn up jobs in the US, even the ones that say "England" or have "English" sounding location names.

    <redacted> Senior Living- England - England ---Hampton Cove, Alabama
    <redacted> Care & Rehabilitation Center-Winchester ---Winchester, New Hampshire
    <redacted> Senior Communities-Somerset ---Somerset, New Jersey
    <redacted> Communities-Enfield, Greater London--- Enfield Nova Scotia Canada

    I'll stop there and let you look for yourself.

    It's great your LPN was a 2 year program but the reality is there are plenty of schools out there who get folks through the NCLEX-PN in under a year, it's one of many reasons that with few exceptions, outside the US and Canada the LPN isn't recognized. It's not an opinion or condemnation of LPNs or their education, it's a fact.
    I'm glad that you backed up my findings on the jobs.


    BUT your tone is not very supportive of LPNs. You failed to note that Enrolled Nurses are the Australian equivalent of LPNs.

    Users really do expect support and guidance from a GUIDE, not your take on the global role of LPNs.

    Bear in mind that many of the governing colleges is Canada evaluated some BScNs obtained in the Phillipines to be the equivalent of the education obtained by Canadian LPNs and the fact that Canada no longer has ADNs, hospital training programmes, and AAS (whatever that is) Nurses.

    My education was the old two year diploma RN programme and I graduated as an LPN.

    Your beating an old horse.
  7. by   realnursealso/LPN
    I wish they had a picture of a horse and a stick. This picture will do too >>>>>>>>>>>>>
  8. by   BostonTerrierLoverRN
    I would just about bet that half of the ones coming in and stirring everyone up, and trying to make someone feel less proud of their achievements, has probably yet to finish their HS Diploma. That's just my observation. It's worth nothing. Like the people who would want to stir up someone's feelings over their accomplishments. "A Nurse is a Nurse is a Nurse!"

    I say this because none of my friends, associates, collegues, or educators from the ADN Program- all the way up to the MSN program have absolutely NEVER said in person, that an LPN was not a "real" nurse. I have only heard it said by talking heads on an anonymous post- that usually is within the first 20 posts before Allnurses.com throws them off for trolling.

    Don't you think the MD's and DO's have the same friction? But I asked a DO had any MD, in his 23 years of practice, EVER disrespected him as a DO? His answer, "no why?"

    Just think about this for a second. If all the LPNs/LVNs (Who are Nurses!) in the United States, did not show up to work on Monday, our WHOLE healthcare system would grind to a hault. If half of them didn't show up, the same.

    A Nurse is a Nurse is Nurse is a Nurse.

    A Duck is a duck is duck is a duck, mallards, wood-ducks, and red-heads, but ALL Ducks!

    LPN/LVN, RN, BSN, MSN, FNP, ACNP, ENP, CCRN, CRNA, PSYMHNP, and Ph.D/RN-Yep, . . All Nurses.

    When the Johnson & Johnson commercials come on, Do they say, "Be an RN!" or . . .

    "Be A Nurse!" A nurse is nurse is a nurse. And I am proud to call them ALL my colleague!, and . . .A Real Nurse!!!
  9. by   Merlyn
    Because a long time ago, we LPN's were trained differently the RN's. LPN's use to know the hows - how to make a bed,how to change a patient, how to do cough and deep breathing exercises. The RN's knew the whys. The lab values, reason for heart attacks, and so forth. But now days the LPN's can do about the same things. In the Veteran's clinic I go to the RN is in an office and LPNs run the place. I don't know why anyone would say we are not nurses except we are on a different education and responsibility level than the RN's and the RNs are on a different level than the RN BSN and so forth..
  10. by   kids
    Quote from Fiona59
    BUT your tone is not very supportive of LPNs. You failed to note that Enrolled Nurses are the Australian equivalent of LPNs.
    I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm not sure what you mean by tone but I'm fairly certain your reading more into my words than I intended.

    I failed to note Enrolled nurses in Australia being equivelent to LPN because I don't know that and they (apparently) aren't called Licensed Practical Nurses.
    I posted what I do know: with few exceptions outside the US and Canada name "Licensed Practical Nurse" isn't recognized.

    My point was that the educational requirements for the LPN can be so variable just in the US, that it is difficult to quantify in terms of other countries educational and licensure requirements.

    I wasn't intending to beat any horse, old or otherwise.
    I wasn't trying to stir anything up.
    I wasn't implying that LPNs aren't nurses, the license says nurse so they are.
  11. by   Limerick4CCRN
    Kids, relax, sometimes people are just on Offense mode, your point is well recieved, and Factually based.
  12. by   RN2LuvU
    Quote from Limerick4CCRN
    Kids, relax, sometimes people are just on Offense mode, your point is well recieved, and Factually based.
    Toooooooootally Agree, Offense and Defensive Mode!
  13. by   NamasteNurse
    I have never heard this where I work.

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