Is magnet status hospitals shutting out all LVNs
- 1Jun 22, '12 by ladymaamI graduated in 2011 from a very popular, yet competitive program. To make a long story short, I started about my job hunt wrong. Times have changed, and you have to really use your critical thinking to get past the gate keepers (HR).
I started to get about two interviews a week, then suddenly everything stopped. I can't find any LVN positions posted with the hospitals. A lot of them are not even claiming to be magnet, but they are acting like...not one LVN position in site.
What is it? Does everybody want a green star, do the RNs hate us? What is it? And before you lay in to me, about looking else where; let me explain. I am following the career ladder; CNA, LVN, RN, med/ surg, then your specialty, so that's why I am giving such attention to acute care rather than LTC, SNF, etc. What's your input.Last edit by Joe V on Jun 27, '12 : Reason: spacing
- 0Jun 22, '12 by ladymaamThe reason I am so bent out of shape is that one employer asked if I would be interested in a new position, where an LVN would cover breaks for the RNs. My initial thought is that this is a "glorified CNA" position. No way! I need more. I am ready to take on more responsibility, not go backwards. If it's CNAs they want, California should reconsider the scope of practice for their CNAs. Lots of hospitals in other states, allow their CNAs to do their Accuchecks. And the worst of it, if I cover breaks, I will have been responsible for approx. 30 patients in one work day. Would an RN do that...bet my last dollar, absolutely not.
- 2Jun 22, '12 by sauconyrunnerI gotta admit, if I was offerred a position to cover lunches, I would have totally gone for that, and I am an RN. I would NEVER EVER in my life let a CNA cover for me while I ate lunch, but I would let another RN or a LPN. Huge difference between what a CNA can do and what an LPN can do. One of my favorite assignments in the ED was "Lunches" Lunches starts at about 11 and could last right up to 7 pm.
I'm not really sure what you were told in school, but I have been a traveller and worked all over the country, and pretty much anywhere I worked in the last 12 years, LPNS/LVNs were not in the mix at acute care hospitals. It really is not that common to find LPN positions in a Hospital setting. RNs dont hate LPNs, but I don't really see a lot of positions for LPNs. I am not saying it is right or wrong, because I frankly don't care one way or the other, but it does seem to be the way it is.
- 1Jun 22, '12 by happyinillinoisMany people care for 30 patients in a day. What do you think the ER is like? As soon as someone leaves, someone is in the room. Patient's are pulled out into the hallway to make room for the next patient, and now you have 2, plus all your other rooms. What is important is how many at the same time. That said, LPN's are not hired in acute care in the Chicagoland area. Heck ADN's are having a hard time getting into acute care, everyone wants a BSN. If it is acute care you want, I'd jump all over that offer.
- 5Jun 22, '12 by JustBeachyNurse, LPNI would have been honored if offered such a job and jumped at the chance to prove my skills and knowledge as a practical nurse, especially if this was a rare opportunity in acute care. To me that is not insulting offer but an indication of an open minded manager that wanted to show the importance and relevance of a skilled LPN in an acute care setting. If you worked ER, ambulatory care or clinic you would easily encounter 30 patients in a shift.
Edited to add: definitely NOT a glorified CNA position as RN cannot delegate responsibility for patient care (care tasks yes, but not responsibility for care, ongoing assessment, treatment & medication) to a CNA but they can to a qualified LPN.
- 0Jun 26, '12 by Anne36Where I live magnet status is pushing the ADNs out. When I was in school last year they told us that if we came back to complete our RN we should plan on going for our BSN because that is what the hospitals are expecting now. There has been a lot of talk in the last couple years in a couple of the hospitals about only hiring BSN.
- 0Jun 26, '12 by cemisciagna1I work for a magnet hospital and I am an LPN. Many hospitals utilize LPN's in their medical practices. There are a few positions within the hospital as well. Our hospital is also very pro education so there are many incentives to returning to school. They also require ADN's to obtain a BSN within 6 years which is reasonable. The short of it is this. There are some positions out there, but I'd be prepared for some stiff competition. Good luck in your search.
- 0Jun 26, '12 by SeasYou shouldn't take this personally and make a drama out of it. It is not hate/like/better/worse thing. It has to do with scope of practice and standards. A lot of hospitals are not hiring LPN's anymore. It is even becoming harder for ADN's too. BSN and more is preferred. If you want to do more, go for RN, BSN.
- 0Jun 27, '12 by AZMOMO2, ASNVery few hospitals anywhere hire LPNs anymore because they still require RNs to cover all of those patients as well and turn into more of a financial burden then help in their opinions.
Heck very few hospitals want to hire ADN RNs right now either. Sign of the times? Who knows? I have to write a paper on changing trends in educational qualifications within the advanced degree nurses and even there, you see a huge push toward requiring higher and higher degrees for entry level.