Just let me be... - page 7
This is not a rant. This is not meant to cause any trouble. It was just on my heart and I thought I would share. Please feel free to add a line of your own :) Can't you just let me be happy to be... Read More
Mar 18, '13Quote from HippyDippyLPNI love about 98% of the docs I work with and they are awesome at what they do, but could you imagine the look on their faces if they had to work the floor as nurses? This said of course not as a negative comment about physicians but rather it struck me as funny. I would be equally as terrified if they stuck me in a doctor's office and told me to be physician for a day (scope and legalities aside)What we need to as a nursing community, and I mean the whole bit from CNA to NP is stop pecking at each other, band together, and start getting a union together to give us all better work environments. At this point in my career, I don't care if I working next to fellow PN or a damn MD I just want more staffing so we don't have a 1:28 ratio anymore and that's in a bloody good day. There are *******s in every food chain.
Mar 18, '13Quote from WldChrryYou were absolutely complaining. You stated this wasn't a rant. It most definitely was a rant. Own up to it and proudly rant away, nothing wrong with that.Wasn't whining or complaining. Sorry it was too much for you to handle
That being said I STRONGLY (I can't emphasize this enough....STRONGLY) believe that many, not all, LPNs misinterpret perceptions RNs have of LPNs. In my first nursing job in LTC, I learned almost exclusively from LPNs. And boy did I learn a lot. I respected LPNs and in no way thought I was better than them. Then one day after having spent 2 hours caring for LPNs residents on antibiotics and getting extremely behind on my own residents, I made a comment to an LPN pursuing his RN, something along the lines of "One thing I wasn't prepared for was the extra responsibility that comes with the title of RN." I had been the only RN in a building with 180 residents the night I had to take care of 6 residents on antibiotics, losing the two hours to care for my residents. The LPN became infuriated at my comment. He said it was extremely condescending. He then proceeded to gossip and whine to everyone saying "who does she think she is?" (referring to me) My point is that it was HE who misinterpreted my comment. It is absolutely true that RNs have extra responsibilities than LPNs. That FACT does not make me think less of LPNs and their incredible experience I love to learn from. Gossip about me spread like wild fire. I began to be bullied by all the LPNs and the CNAs who were their friends. I finally quit when the LPNs began refusing to take report from me. All because an LPN misinterpreted my very true comment, and blamed his own insecurities on me. The truth: I respected and admired the LPNs. The rumor and gossip: I as an RN, thought I was better than LPNs.
So my main point. Is it really RNs thinking they are better than you? Or are you misinterpreting the truth?
Mar 18, '13Quote from Sterling-RNI can't click "like" a million times, so I'll respond. DITTO everything you said. In my case, I was bombarded by CNAs and LPNs who got in my face. I tried explaining myself saying "I love learning from the LPNs here. They have so much to offer." In turn both a CNA and LPN said "there you go again, differentiating yourself. We all help and we all have something to offer." True, we all have something to offer. But to claim that I am disrespecting them by living in reality by acknowledging the TRUTH, that each of us have our own scope of practice, is just ridiculous.I don't think they missed the mark at all. I believe that the original post DOES sound "wounded, unhappy, and defensive." And, I'm sorry, but clearly the OP feels that there is no difference between an RN or an LPN besides a letter "R" or a difference in pay, and that is false. More noticeably, it sounds as if there is an attempt to belittle RNs in order to elevate his or her own self-esteem.
Isn't it just as insulting to RNs to make the claim that their education, responsibilities, and experiences are no different? Isn't there just as much lack of respect in that view that the OP is stating RNs show her?
It's okay to acknowledge different tiers in nursing or in the healthcare field in general, isnt it? Or should I post a rant about how there is no difference between me and a nurse practioner just because they have more education, and an "NP" in their title? After all, we are all nurses, right?
It's silly and insulting to assume that different means better or worse...whether it comes from an RN or an LPN. But pretending that there is no difference at all is just as silly and insulting, and shows disdain and dissatisfaction in the choices made.
I would like to add one more thing. At first yes, LPNs can run circles around new grad RNs because of their experience. HOWEVER, I learned and grew so much my second year in nursing taking critical care and going those clinicals. So when certain situations arose where we had to continue to assess a resident who might be sent out, I as the RN was the one who was able to see the big picture and fully understand what was going on physiologically, because I had that extra year of school. Just as RNs shouldn't discount the experience of LPNs, LPNs shouldn't discount what my extra year of education can bring to the table.
Mar 19, '13Quote from Fiona59Yep...Ontario Nurses Association only represents RNs too. They also put out ads everywhere saying how RNS are the most important and RPNs are dangerous to patients. RPNs are in the union grouped with all other service workers....housekeeping, psws, food service etc.
Don't bet on it guys.
The United Nurses of Alberta don't represent LPNs or Registered Psychiatric Nurses (specialist RNs). UNA only represents RNs and and have been know to have some really offensive ads about quality care coming only from RNs when it's time to renegotiate their contracts. The unions representing other nurses have complained about it.
Mar 19, '13I very much agree and know that RN's have more responsibilities, its not an opinion as much as it is a fact. I hesitate at times going for my RN because it seems in LTC that after a bit they push a lot of RN's into supervisory positions which I quite honestly never want to be in management and am would be worried about other LPN's working under my license as they say. I would be a ball of paranoia all the time if that were the case... I am hoping to get a job I just interviewed for where it would be me the LPN and the RN who has 30 years experience. I am so stoked if I get the chance to learn from her, but also nervous because I am way green compared to her!
Mar 20, '13Quote from vintageandreaWow... House keeping and food services............................
Yep...Ontario Nurses Association only represents RNs too. They also put out ads everywhere saying how RNS are the most important and RPNs are dangerous to patients. RPNs are in the union grouped with all other service workers....housekeeping, psws, food service etc.
Mar 20, '13Quote from HippyDippyLPNOh, I know what you mean. So many NEW GRAD RNs are placed in supervisory positions. I have no interest in management or a supervisor role myself. I can completely understand an LPN become so frustrated and feel insulted when people ask "oh, are you in school to be an RN?" or "why not?" I completely understand thinking, screaming in your head, "JUST LET ME BE WHAT I AM IF I AM HAPPY WITH IT!" Also there are those that, I don't care what others say, simply can't go back to school at that time if they did want to be an RN. I'm in a similar boat with being an ADN RN instead of BSN. Its simply not possible in my life to go back to school right now.I very much agree and know that RN's have more responsibilities, its not an opinion as much as it is a fact. I hesitate at times going for my RN because it seems in LTC that after a bit they push a lot of RN's into supervisory positions which I quite honestly never want to be in management and am would be worried about other LPN's working under my license as they say. I would be a ball of paranoia all the time if that were the case... I am hoping to get a job I just interviewed for where it would be me the LPN and the RN who has 30 years experience. I am so stoked if I get the chance to learn from her, but also nervous because I am way green compared to her!
Mar 28, '13"If you feel so compelled to complain, whine about and defend your choice to be an LPN, you don't exactly sound proud OR happy. You sound wounded, unhappy and defensive. About your choice to be an LPN. EMPHASIS on "your choice."
I'm so tired of LPNs crying about being LPNs. Seriously. I love LPNs and think they're great! But so many around here have a such a chip on their shoulders because they're not as educated as RNs or WHATEVER. Guess what? The truth sucks! You aren't as educated as an RN! What, isn't that obvious? You might be a better, more experienced nurse, sure! I know lots of LPNs who could nurse CIRCLES around RNs. But circle away.....you still don't have as much education. If you have a problem with that (or have a problem with OTHER people having a problem with it), then get back to school and fix it. Crying about other people's "RN" isn't putting it after your name. "
I sure hope that I never have the unfortunate experience of coming across someone like yourself when I'm looking for support. You're about as supportive as a wet noodle! It sounds to me like no one ever taught you the very important lesson of "don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes." I am sorry that you are so very judgmental, and the very epitome of the type of nurse that nurses speak of when they say "nurses eat their young."
You really need to put some of your self righteousness in check, as your poor attitude and insensitivity makes me seriously wonder how you managed to get yourself in the field of nursing and fear for the emotional health of those entrusted in your care. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Tisk, tisk....
While you may have a list of credentials that display your education, so do a lot of LPN's. A lot of whom hold degrees in other fields, rendering them quite educated. This site is intended to be a place where nurses of all types and tiers can come together, find support, often where they are lacking it in their jobs (Hmm... Possibly working with people like yourself???) and find information, resources, and people who are understanding to their plights.
All that said, I'll express one last thought. You have no idea the circumstances of people's lives that dictate their choices. I'm happy that you had the choice, really I am. However, you might think about humbling yourself just a bit as we aren't all so blessed to have the opportunities, the finances, the circumstances or the choice to go back to school. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself. Don't think for a moment that feeble attempt to avoid classic passive-aggressiveness falls on deaf ears in the nursing community. You are again, the epitome of what nurses hate about nursing. I guess you skipped the class on self awareness? Maybe they only taught that in LPN school...Last edit by nightwatchlpn on Mar 28, '13 : Reason: forgot to include to what comment I was replying to