help needed please help!!!

  1. hi have a huge problem,
    my mate at work used to be a agency nurse came to do a placement with us at the hospital where i work she was then asked to join us full time,
    she accepted and has been recruited as an e grade now i am only classed as a d grade yet i am higher qualified i can canulate and she cant and i can administer iv drugs where as she cant either can anyone help as to why she has been made higher graded??
    thanks macenna x x x x
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  3. by   Fonenurse
    Hello Macenna

    Aren't you all banded under agenda for change?

    It's not about the skills you have, your grading or banding is about what is required for the job - is your friend working to the same job description as you?
  4. by   XB9S
    Was the job advertised, if not I think that this breeches emplyment laws as all qualified for the job should have the opportunity to apply.
  5. by   macenna
    yes but does not do the same as us i get left to co-ordinate whereas she is not allowed to do the so why should us d grades be paid less than a less quallified e grade??
    sorry about the rant its just very annoying x x
  6. by   madwife2002
    I feel you are in a difficult situation and you dont want to make things unpleasant at work. Why dont you make an appt to visit your manager to discuss how you are doing and then bring the conversation round to the fact you are a little disgruntled and explain your concerns regarding the status of the new employee, and why you are still working as a D grade maybe you are not quite ready for an E grade, but you need to be upfront and not allow yourself to be too upset as these things can cause an uneasy atmosphere at work.

    Good luck I know it wont be easy for you
  7. by   XB9S
    Quote from macenna
    yes but does not do the same as us i get left to co-ordinate whereas she is not allowed to do the so why should us d grades be paid less than a less quallified e grade??
    sorry about the rant its just very annoying x x
    I am a bit confused then, if the job was advertised as an E and that is what you wanted then why did you not apply. If you didn't apply then I don't know that you can really complain that she got a higher paid job than you even if she is less qualified.
  8. by   english_nurse
    on a similar subject
    i am working way above my so called d grade (i know this doesn exist anymore really, but you know what i mean)
    My appraisal is coming up, i have sort of put my progression at work on hold really, due to the possibility that i was going to the usa, now this probably not going to happen, so at my appraisal, any advice for how i address this and progress a bit further?
    i only work nights, and i suppose im worried that my boss may say that working nights is different to days (quieter) but, i am in charge of all of my shifts etc,
    any suggestions?
    cheers
  9. by   wannabeE.R.RN
    Hi EN,
    first off, good luck with the US progress. As for the appraisal, I guess it depends on the wording of your job description, the common D/E merging into Band 5 did no favors. The KSF section of AfC should help in theory. Most trusts usually have an in-house development program. Even if you don't benefit immediately it should help down the line as your employer has a responsibility to provide for your development, (if you adhere to it). This should allow progression through the gateways, (though you are probably at/through the upper one of Band 5).
    So I guess make sure they are aware of what you do now, what you want to do & how they will provide you the opportunity ( & renumeration) for this. It should all be in a signed agreement. If this doesn't happen I guess it's a matter of
    (a)finding another post, (little chance of that at the moment)
    (b) Working at a level above your job description for no extra pay, ( sound familiar anyone?)
    (c) Stick to your job description exactly until retrogression is sorted.

    Good luck


    http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Policyandgui...nge/DH_4112440
  10. by   madwife2002
    Quote from english_nurse
    on a similar subject
    i am working way above my so called d grade (i know this doesn exist anymore really, but you know what i mean)
    My appraisal is coming up, i have sort of put my progression at work on hold really, due to the possibility that i was going to the usa, now this probably not going to happen, so at my appraisal, any advice for how i address this and progress a bit further?
    i only work nights, and i suppose im worried that my boss may say that working nights is different to days (quieter) but, i am in charge of all of my shifts etc,
    any suggestions?
    cheers

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  11. by   english_nurse
    Quote from madwife2002
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  12. by   english_nurse
    Quote from wannabeE.R.RN
    Hi EN,
    first off, good luck with the US progress. As for the appraisal, I guess it depends on the wording of your job description, the common D/E merging into Band 5 did no favors. The KSF section of AfC should help in theory. Most trusts usually have an in-house development program. Even if you don't benefit immediately it should help down the line as your employer has a responsibility to provide for your development, (if you adhere to it). This should allow progression through the gateways, (though you are probably at/through the upper one of Band 5).
    So I guess make sure they are aware of what you do now, what you want to do & how they will provide you the opportunity ( & renumeration) for this. It should all be in a signed agreement. If this doesn't happen I guess it's a matter of
    (a)finding another post, (little chance of that at the moment)
    (b) Working at a level above your job description for no extra pay, ( sound familiar anyone?)
    (c) Stick to your job description exactly until retrogression is sorted.

    Good luck


    http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Policyandgui...nge/DH_4112440
    thanks
    my manager asked me to do the teaching and assessing course, which i shall do anyway as lord knows when retrogression will get sorted.
    i like my job, wouldnt leave unless the visa situation gets sorted, the ward is short of 'senior' nurses so that goes in my favour,
    the E grades on my ward are currently going through an appeal to be banded as 6 so its worth chasing
    i have the same problem as the OP, we advertised for band 5 nurses and employed a nurse from another ward who was an e grade, they retained him on the same level in the band 5 scales which means he gets paid more than me, hes no good at being in charge and doesnt have the renal training i have, when we work together i take charge, so really its all become a matter of principle for me (im a bit like that lol)
    its like when they tried to increase the parking charges at the trust from 10 pa to 100pa, i wouldnt pay until they fixed the road (many, very deep potholes!)

    will let you know how it all goes
    xx
    Last edit by english_nurse on May 12, '07 : Reason: cant spell lol

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