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Apr 07, 2007, 02:56 PM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by FutureUSRN Give first-aid first while waiting for the cure....that's what they did in 2005...the cure even didn't come....put another first-aid...
Sorry, but there was relief; there is no reason in the world that the US is required to open its doors for everyone that wishes to come here. Nurses actually have it much easier than most other professions and can get expedited for a green card, it does not require that you wait five years to get it. But in that same token, it also does not mean that the US must take everyone that wants to come. There will always be more that wish to come, than can.
And there are areas in the US where there are no shortages, and you will not even find petitioning being done. So do not think that the shortage is all over. There are certain areas that have above average needs, but it is definitely not all.
And this was never meant as first aid, there is no reason for that. It has already been documented on how many nurses that there are in the US, the issue is that some are now retiring. Those that have years of experiene will find it much easier to get placement in the first place, as well as those that hold a Master's degree.
New grad and no experience, do not expect a ton of job offers to come dropping at your feet. Nurses that have graduated and have the OPT are even finding difficulties in getting offers at this point and they are able to start work right away with a valid document that will permit them to work.
The US has other issues that are slightly more important than creating or re-approtioning visas for nurses. Visas available tomorrw do not solve any problems in any form. There is still the immigration process, as well as a much-needed orientation as to how we do things in the US. And they are about as different as can be from the hospitals in PI. So the nurses are not instantly available in the hospital to fill an empty slot in the schedule.
Far from it.
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Apr 08, 2007, 02:02 AM
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Apr 08, 2007 at 03:06 AM by mpoova
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by suzanne4 Sorry, but there was relief; there is no reason in the world that the US is required to open its doors for everyone that wishes to come here. Nurses actually have it much easier than most other professions and can get expedited for a green card, it does not require that you wait five years to get it. But in that same token, it also does not mean that the US must take everyone that wants to come. There will always be more that wish to come, than can.
And there are areas in the US where there are no shortages, and you will not even find petitioning being done. So do not think that the shortage is all over. There are certain areas that have above average needs, but it is definitely not all.
And this was never meant as first aid, there is no reason for that. It has already been documented on how many nurses that there are in the US, the issue is that some are now retiring. Those that have years of experiene will find it much easier to get placement in the first place, as well as those that hold a Master's degree.
New grad and no experience, do not expect a ton of job offers to come dropping at your feet. Nurses that have graduated and have the OPT are even finding difficulties in getting offers at this point and they are able to start work right away with a valid document that will permit them to work.
The US has other issues that are slightly more important than creating or re-approtioning visas for nurses. Visas available tomorrw do not solve any problems in any form. There is still the immigration process, as well as a much-needed orientation as to how we do things in the US. And they are about as different as can be from the hospitals in PI. So the nurses are not instantly available in the hospital to fill an empty slot in the schedule.
Far from it.
wonder still CGFNS / RN are conducted at various test centers all over the world? Petitions accepted and approved? Visa fee accepted? and then no reason to welcome and so wait! The fact remains that the selected ones are as per US requirements.The issue now is not that US requires foreign trained nurses or not, The problem is the flaws of immigration laws which abruptly stoped nurses visas.
and one can wish there will be fix for FT nurses, both band aid and permanent soon! as they can be the part of solution for years to come.
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Apr 08, 2007, 03:59 AM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by suzanne4 Sorry, but there was relief; there is no reason in the world that the US is required to open its doors for everyone that wishes to come here. Nurses actually have it much easier than most other professions and can get expedited for a green card, it does not require that you wait five years to get it. But in that same token, it also does not mean that the US must take everyone that wants to come. There will always be more that wish to come, than can.
And there are areas in the US where there are no shortages, and you will not even find petitioning being done. So do not think that the shortage is all over. There are certain areas that have above average needs, but it is definitely not all.
And this was never meant as first aid, there is no reason for that. It has already been documented on how many nurses that there are in the US, the issue is that some are now retiring. Those that have years of experiene will find it much easier to get placement in the first place, as well as those that hold a Master's degree.
New grad and no experience, do not expect a ton of job offers to come dropping at your feet. Nurses that have graduated and have the OPT are even finding difficulties in getting offers at this point and they are able to start work right away with a valid document that will permit them to work.
The US has other issues that are slightly more important than creating or re-approtioning visas for nurses. Visas available tomorrw do not solve any problems in any form. There is still the immigration process, as well as a much-needed orientation as to how we do things in the US. And they are about as different as can be from the hospitals in PI. So the nurses are not instantly available in the hospital to fill an empty slot in the schedule.
Far from it. Hi Suzanne,
Thanks a lot for very good forum here.
Could I ask you:
1. For what reasons we are posting and you are answer tons of questions here if nursing immigration is not important for you as well as for US lawmakers?
2. I agree that there was no reason to pay a lot of money, spend thousands hours on preparation for NCLEX and IELTS or TOEFL, getting Visa Screen if US do not need foreign nurses anymore. So, correct me please, but you suggestion is following: "you should wait as much as possible having all your papers and sertificates". I really cannot realize, what is the benefit from that waiting for US nurses like you or for US Healthcare system?
3. OK, you are worried about many low-experienced young nurses in the US Hospitals. It is understandable. However, why you decided that we are all low-experienced young nurses? Or many of us? I, for example, have more than 15 years of experience as well as some of my friends. We should have the results of immigration statistic in term of experience BEFORE CLAIMING LACK OF EXPERIENCE AMONG FOREIGN NURSES.
Thank you.
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Apr 08, 2007, 04:25 AM
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Apr 08, 2007 at 04:46 AM by FutureUSRN
Re: Immigration News and Updates
Good news will soon come..and as in the past , it will help us, Foreign Nurses, get immigrant visas (Green Card)...but it's just the beginning of our journey....
Everyone started with no experience...but sooner or later, most Foreign Nurses will make it to the top than the locals. Actually, most locals are jealous of the foreign nurses who have BSN because they easily climb-up the ladder....local nurses are also threatened by the influx of foreign nurses....I don't know why....only one thing I know...we, foreign nurses, have the will to survive and the drive to succeed!!!
Hope to hear the good news soon...but for the meantime, I still enjoy my life while still here in the Philippines.
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Apr 08, 2007, 08:25 AM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by mpoova wonder still CGFNS / RN are conducted at various test centers all over the world? Petitions accepted and approved? Visa fee accepted? and then no reason to welcome and so wait! The fact remains that the selected ones are as per US requirements.The issue now is not that US requires foreign trained nurses or not, The problem is the flaws of immigration laws which abruptly stoped nurses visas.
and one can wish there will be fix for FT nurses, both band aid and permanent soon! as they can be the part of solution for years to come.
There are only so many visas in every category of work in the US, it has never been wide open and never expect it to be. You are just seeing many more nurses that wish to work in the US. It does not mean that the US must create a visa for each and every one of them.
Same way that any other country does things.
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Apr 08, 2007, 08:35 AM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by rass Hi Suzanne,
Thanks a lot for very good forum here.
Could I ask you:
1. For what reasons we are posting and you are answer tons of questions here if nursing immigration is not important for you as well as for US lawmakers?
2. I agree that there was no reason to pay a lot of money, spend thousands hours on preparation for NCLEX and IELTS or TOEFL, getting Visa Screen if US do not need foreign nurses anymore. So, correct me please, but you suggestion is following: "you should wait as much as possible having all your papers and sertificates". I really cannot realize, what is the benefit from that waiting for US nurses like you or for US Healthcare system?
3. OK, you are worried about many low-experienced young nurses in the US Hospitals. It is understandable. However, why you decided that we are all low-experienced young nurses? Or many of us? I, for example, have more than 15 years of experience as well as some of my friends. We should have the results of immigration statistic in term of experience BEFORE CLAIMING LACK OF EXPERIENCE AMONG FOREIGN NURSES.
Thank you.
Please take the time to do some reading here. And you will see where I am coming from. And who I was responding to.
First, I have been helping foreign nurses for more than 20 years, it is not something that I have just started to do. But the issue is that if you have experience and a fair amount of it, you will not have a problem finding a petitioner for the US. Those that are new grads, and with minimum clinical training in their country are finding many issues right now.
It is always much easier to find a petitioner if the nurse has passed the NCLEX exam. There are agencies in the Philippines that are pushing the CGFNS exam, which is only required in a handful of states, and the nurse is only getting placed in a nursing home and it not getting RN salary until they are in the US and have passed the NCLEX exam. Some agencies are not even submitting application to the state until they arrive in the US.
This goes for foreign nurses that graduated in the US, it is always much easier for them to find a job if they have passed the NCLEX first. And it goes the same for the American RN as well.
Creating visas for foreign nurses does not fix anything in the US, it definitely does not address the issues that the nursing schools here are having, not enough instructors, etc. And if the nurse that wishes to come over has a Master's degree in Nursing, then they are in another category, the EB-2 and things get done quicker.
Waiting to have the exams completed before appying gets you a much better job selection. The training that you had in your country will make you verty marketable no matter where you wish to go.
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Nurses have been fast-tracked over the past few years, in the past they had to be here for five years to get a green card. Nurses now jump to the head of the line. But there are still only so many visas that are issued per year, and this does not matter which field that you are in. The US does not have an open door policy.
There are many that are going into nursing for the sole purpose of getting to the US and they never wanted to be a nurse in the first place, but are not doing it as it is a fast-track to the US, and most of those are not lasting in the profession when they get here.
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Apr 08, 2007, 08:38 AM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by FutureUSRN Good news will soon come..and as in the past , it will help us, Foreign Nurses, get immigrant visas (Green Card)...but it's just the beginning of our journey....
Everyone started with no experience...but sooner or later, most Foreign Nurses will make it to the top than the locals. Actually, most locals are jealous of the foreign nurses who have BSN because they easily climb-up the ladder....local nurses are also threatened by the influx of foreign nurses....I don't know why....only one thing I know...we, foreign nurses, have the will to survive and the drive to succeed!!!
Hope to hear the good news soon...but for the meantime, I still enjoy my life while still here in the Philippines.
Sorry, but not sure where you are getting your information from. It is way off base.
And I am definitely not threatened by foreign nurses. Please take the time to do some more reading, and get your sources correct. Sounds like they are coming from the same politician that does not know the difference between the VSC and CGFNS Certificate.
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Apr 08, 2007, 09:22 AM
Re: Immigration News and Updates Originally Posted by FutureUSRN Actually, most locals are jealous of the foreign nurses who have BSN because they easily climb-up the ladder....local nurses are also threatened by the influx of foreign nurses....I don't know why....only one thing I know...we, foreign nurses, have the will to survive and the drive to succeed!!!
Have to disagree with you on this. Speaking from my own personal experience, my American nurse colleagues are the ones who have kept me going through some difficult times. I have never experienced an ounce of resentment, in fact I have been welcomed with open arms.
I'm guessing your attitude of "we foreign nurses have the will to survive and the drive to succeed" is the thing that may be causing some to feel "threatened"......sounds like you are not willing to integrate and assimilate. Please remember, we ARE foreigners, and as such, are guests in this country.
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