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MARI 1 · Apr 8, 2007

Now that I got all your attention....:trout:
Can somebody tell me what's ANA's position regarding having a temporary relief and that's schedule A visa?
Can somebody tell me what's ANA's position regarding Foreign-educated nurses and their immigration into the US?
A friend told me that ANA is lobbying against temporary relief and I am not sure if that is true.

Your comments above are not what this particular thread is about...

However I will answer what you have written here...

They do not want any temporary workers at all..

NO.... NO... and NO again... they do not want any temporary workers coming it. Reason being... they want a permanent staff that can legally stay in the country. It takes foreign nurses at least 6 months to adjust to the cultural and work differences. Some even take longer to get through the orientation periods(especially if they have not worked in their own country). Hospitals invest a lot of time and money into training their RN's they do not want to pay for temporary staff that will need to go home. Think it through would pay for relocation, sign on bonuses etc for temporary worker.. No.... The hospitals are not going to do this and then send the employee home. Hospitals do not want to be in the business of immigration, they do not want to hire two or more people for the HR departments to handle all the paperwork involved with that, it is too costly for them. Yes there are people that work doing travel nursing... but if you ask any of them... coming to the USA and working travel right away is just insanity for anyone and next to impossible to do a good job. You need at the very least 1 year on the job to work in travel.

prmenrs, RN · Apr 9, 2007

Believe me when I say that you will find very few people who are "jealous" of a BSN.

It sounds like you want to come and work in the US. If that's the case, I can't help but wonder why you're "diss'ing" us so much.

suzanne4, RN · Apr 9, 2007

And just to add to it.

Schedule A is not a temporary worker. That is for the green card and green card only.

ANA does not want temporary workers/nurses such as those with the H1-B visa.

There is a big difference between the two. Please take the time to actually read.

ANA has never liked temporary nurses in the US, they are not paid the same as the American nurses or green card holders. They are owned by the facility, and that is literally.

There is a big difference between permanent residency and temporary worker. A green card holder is permanent.

suzanne4, RN · Apr 9, 2007

And when you start working in the US, it makes no difference the degree that you have. You will be starting here as a new grad, and get the same orientation that all foreign nurses get coming to the US. And it makes absolutely no difference that you have a BSN and others may have a Diploma or ADN. You all will be doing the same work and getting paid the same. We judge people on the skills and their capabilities here, not the alphabet after their name. And the experiences that they have had even as a student play a large part on how they will succeed when they start working. When you have one student per patient, it is very easy to learn how to do things and do them correctly. It is completely another thing when there are 15 students plus per patient and the nurse has never learned how to spike and IV bag or bottle, or give an injection. Or insert a foley catheter, or NG tube.

Come and talk to us after you start working, and then tell us what you think. It is one thing to come to the US as a visitor, it is completely different when a patient's life is in your hands, and their very living depends on you. And a mistake can cost someone their life because you were not understood in what you were saying, or you never learned about it in the first place.

Being cocky and arrogant has no place in nursing, especially when you will be coming over here as a newbie. And nothing more than that. Please do not be so hard to judge, as you will be the center of attention when you get here and that is never the attention that you should really want.

And if you think that we do not speak correctly here, and that you have to lower your standards, then please go someplace else. There are many that would gladly take your place and not critique everything that we do. And when you have no experience with any of it.

And you have stated that you are such a master of the English language, find it rather odd that you cannot figure out what the ANA has stated. You could not even figure out that green card and temporary visa are two different things.

Suggest that you really take some time and look at some of the posts that you have made on this forum. You have insulted every race and nationality at one time or another other than someone from PI. And that is not acceptable. Both the US and Canada, and even Australia, are melting pots as they have people from almost every country in the world, if not all. And there are those that are nurses in each of those countries that have the same dreams as you, and you will be working with them, if and when you get to work in the US. And yes, if. It is a privilege to work in the US, not a guarantee to you or anyone else just because you have a BSN. Far from it.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Apr 9, 2007

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legislative & regulatory priorities for the american nurses[color=#231f20][color=#231f20] association: advocacy for all of nursing (2005)

[color=#231f20]immigration and the nursing workforce [color=#231f20]position pg.7

[color=#231f20]ana supports the ability of individual nurses to choose to practice in the location of their choice. however, we oppose the use of immigration to solve nursing shortages and efforts to weaken current certification requirements for nurses educated in foreignschools of nursing.

[color=#231f20]background

[color=#231f20]the illegal immigration reform and immigrant responsibility act (p.l.104-208) requires all foreign health care professionals, except physicians, to be certified by the commission on graduates of foreign nursing schools (cgfns) or another independent, government-certified organization qualified to issue credentials. the certification process must verify that the foreign health care worker’s education, training, or experience meets all applicable statutory and regulatory requirements for entry into the united states. in addition, any foreign license submitted by the health care worker must be validated. foreign-educated nurses must have passed an examination testing both nursing skill and english language proficiency.

[color=#231f20]the nursing relief for disadvantaged areas act of 1999 (p.l. 106-95) created a new h-1c temporary visa specifically for foreign-educated nurses. the h-1c provides a limited visa that allows no more than 500 nurses into the country annually. these nurses may only work in facilities that meet very specific requirements. the h-1c visa authority expires june 13, 2005. the h-1b temporary visa has typically not been available to nurses, as professions utilizing the h-1b must demonstrate that bachelors’ preparation is the minimum requirement for entry into the profession in the united states. as the current minimum for entry into practice as an rn in the united states is a two-year associate degree in nursing, the immigration and naturalization services (ins) has historically denied h-1b applications for staff nurses. however, the h-1b may be used for advanced practice registered nurses.

[color=#231f20]past efforts to weaken requirements for temporary nurse visas have resulted in the exploitation of immigrant nurses. there are numerous, disturbing examples from the expired h-1a nurse visa. these nurses were employed as lower-paid aides, were made to work unreasonable hours in unsafe conditions, and were mislead about the temporary nature of their visas.

[color=#231f20]rationale

[color=#231f20][color=#231f20]ana maintains that it is inappropriate to look overseas for temporary workforce relief when the real problem is the fact that the u.s. health care industry has failed to maintain a work environment that retains experienced u.s. nurses in patient care. over-reliance on foreign-educated nurses by the health care industry serves only to postpone efforts to address the needs of the u.s. nursing workforce.

[color=#231f20][color=#231f20]in addition, there are serious ethical questions about recruiting nurses from other countries when there is a world-wide shortage of nurses. the removal of foreign educated nurses from areas such as south africa, india, and the caribbean deprives their home countries of highly-trained health care practitioners upon whose skills and talents their countries heavily rely.[color=#231f20]