I maybe in trouble, HIPPA Violation - page 3
It might be easier to discuss what I know about HIPPA. I am a nursing student to begin with. From what I've learned is that sharing patient information with those who are not directly involved with... Read More
3Quote from StephalumpSchools are not a 'customer service' based venture. For them reputation is everything. Suppose after clinicals a student went to the bar in their school issued clinical uniform. The student had a few too many and began dancing on the tables and seductively removing said uniform. You better believe the school has the right to protect their reputation by punishing the student, up to and including dismissal from the school. Just because the student is paying the school, that does not give the student carte blanche to behave badly.Schools can feel however they want about how students are representing them, but since we are paying them for their services they do not have carte blanche when it comes to acting on their displeasure.
1Quote from StephalumpSo here is a school trying to attract good students. A prospective student is researching the school. A FB page comes up during a google search and there are several posts by students expressing their disgust about the clinical rotation including a post about vaginas and onions. I would think a top students would stop considering that school right there. I believe the school has to defend their reputation and having a social media policy is part of that defense.but I don't agree that there should be such a policy to begin with.
1Feb 8, '13 by Stephalump, RNQuote from psu_213I think all my drunken table dancing in college was done in school t-shirts or jackets. It was what we did, and the school had no course of action to punish us for sullying their good name. And I went to a private, insanely expensive Baptist school.
Schools are not a 'customer service' based venture. For them reputation is everything. Suppose after clinicals a student went to the bar in their school issued clinical uniform. The student had a few too many and began dancing on the tables and seductively removing said uniform. You better believe the school has the right to protect their reputation by punishing the student, up to and including dismissal from the school. Just because the student is paying the school, that does not give the student carte blanche to behave badly.
It's just too subjective. If they didn't approve of open homosexual behavior (which would definitely "mar" a Christian school's reputation...out you would go! Pray to Allah? Out! Tattoos? Out? Pregnant out of wedlock? Out! Smoke? Out! Write bad professor reviews online? Out!
But it doesn't work that way in most schools. It just doesn't. Nursing programs inside of schools seem to think it should.
I can get behind a social media policy, mostly because it's really a fantastic protection for the student. When you're young and dumb, it's best to have a nice clear easy boundary to respect, rather than walk the fine HIPAA line. Just don't talk about clinicals. Don't talk about tests. Don't talk negatively about your professors.
I was in a class once where the instructor really was terrible. Nice lady, but terrible teacher.
Students took to emailing each other through the school's email system about their reasonable (at least I thought so) complaints. No horrible name calling or anything like that. Just complaining about things.
Another student decided to print out all of the emails and hand them in to our professor. We ALL paid for that one. She actually went so far as to deactivate our class web page so we couldn't communicate so easily.
I got the second highest grade in the class, and my grade was a C. I wasn't even part of the fiasco and had to learn that lesson the hard way. If you don't have anything nice to say, say it to your husband or best friend...NOT anyone remotely related to your program.
2Feb 8, '13 by CLoGreenEyes, ADNCan I be real? I just wouldn't want to read anyone's FB post about vaginas and onions, period, no matter if I'm a work friend or a school friend or your best friend since pre-school.
OP, regardless of whether this was a HIPAA violation or just an unprofessional mistake, I think this is a good reason to consider finding another venue through which to digest your clinical experiences. Within the right context, sharing a joke here and there is not a problem, but there's definitely a time and place for them. Co-workers or fellow students who share clinical experiences with you will almost definitely be able to relate to these things a lot better than your average Facebook friend; and it's just better not to put some things in writing. I share plenty of sidelong glances and wisecracks with the CNAs and RNs where I work, because they are the ones who will understand, but I know my boyfriend, family, and friends will not be so enamored with what we perceive as funny. Just my two-pence.
I hope everything works out OK with this unknown punishment. You sound like you understand what went wrong and are willing to make it right and learn from it, so hopefully they will give you the opportunity to do that.
0Quote from StephalumpI must admit I stole the example of dancing drunk on the table while wearing the school's nursing uniform...this was an example used by my nursing school's director as something that would get you kicked out of the program. We signed a professional behavior agreement at the beginning of school and they can most definitely punish someone who violates it.I think all my drunken table dancing in college was done in school t-shirts or jackets. It was what we did, and the school had no course of action to punish us for sullying their good name.
And another thing. I paid for my education. I paid for the "privilege" of taking the NCLEX. I paid for my license. I pay every 2 years to renew my license. Yet the state BON is able to take that license away for otherwise legal behavior they deem to be unprofessional.
0Feb 8, '13 by wanderlust99I'm not trying to kick you when your down, but you just posted this again, but on a public forum, with your first name and your picture visible. Remember that things said on the internet can follow you, I know from personal experience. If I were you, I'd consider deleting your pictures, changing your user name and editing the opening message. Pretty much every nurse reads allnurses, so surely your classmates and possible teachers do too.
I hope everything works out for you. Everyone makes mistakes, point is we learn from them.
5Feb 8, '13 by mclennan, BSNSomeone has to say it:
Regardless of HIPAA or any school/facility policy, it's pretty classless, juvenile and immature to post ANYTHING about vaginas and onions on your Facebook. Really? Being gross isn't always being funny. Being gross is just usually being gross. And not funny.
4Feb 9, '13 by Altra, BSN, RN GuideQuote from ms.amy03OP, I'd suggest you reflect on the following:In this world we now share our thoughts and beliefs with the online world, Facebook is something that so many people utilize now to stay in touch with friends and family.
1. Every thought in your head does NOT need to come out of your mouth, or your fingers.
2. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that "friends and family" want to hear your reflections on vaginas. I'd put the probability at about 0.
3. This incident has nothing to do with Facebook and little to do with HIPAA. It has everything to do with your failure to recognize what are appropriate conversational topics and what are not.
2Feb 11, '13 by iluvivtHere is the sad part....that patient or patients that you were making a joke of..... is a real human being. That human being,somebody's loved one has entrusted the healthcare workers to HELP them. It is a privilege that must be respected to provide nursing care to another but you made a mockery of that relationship! It shows incredibly poor judgement and makes me question your motives for wanting to enter the profession. Violation or not how would you like it if someone posted something like that about you or someone you love. My instincts have always been to protect the underdog and as such I protect my patients.
0Feb 11, '13 by Overland1Quote from ms.amy03I surmise that, at least in relative terms, HIPAA will be the least of concerns.It might be easier to discuss what I know about HIPPA. I am a nursing student to begin with. From what I've learned is that sharing patient information with those who are not directly involved with that patient's care is wrong. Talking about the patient even when there is no mention with names or any way to identify the patient is even wrong whether it be in an elevator or any other place.
In this world we now share our thoughts and beliefs with the online world, Facebook is something that so many people utilize now to stay in touch with friends and family. Unfortunately I made a posting about my experience that day in the healtch care setting. I spoked about how I got to see preocedures and aid in it, how I felt about it, the way I smelt after wards. I wrote all of that unknowingly that I was violating HIPPA because I had not mentioned names, I wasn't speaking about any specific patients it was gross because I had talked about smelling like vagina and onions(the onions coming from my sandwhich really not the patient), I didn't mention where I was working at they were strictly reflections of my experience. The content of it was inappropriately gross but I didnt' feel like there was a violation that I had comitted. In essence it was offensive to some people and it came near the line of violating HIPPA, one of my class mates had reported me to my program coordinator and I am having to write a paper for him citing how I will correct myself and what interventions I plan on doing. My coordinator also told me that there will be a punishment that I will learn later in few days before lecture. He will discuss his interview with me to other people to decide what the punishment will be, I'm scared of being thrown out of the program or worse, delaying or not allowing me to graduate or sit for the NCLEX. I'm scared of not being able to graduate and delaying my time. What could happen to me?
Why people post some stuff on Facebook used to amaze me, but none of it surprises me anymore. Heck,my niece just posted a picture of herself on there that would definitely embarrass her parents and raise the eybrows of present and future employers.
0Feb 14, '13 by SionainnRNIn today's world everything you do online is a reflection of your school and/or work. If you have them listed on your profile EVERYTHING you do is now linked to them. Have revealing pics? Fired for morality claus. Talk about going out for drinks with friends and the next morning post about going to work? Someone could assume you came to work impaired because of drinking or lack of sleep. You must be very very very careful of what you post, even if you have your privacy settings on lock down. I've been burned before.
0Feb 14, '13 by OCNRN63Quote from ms.amy03I think the fact that you acknowledge that what you did was not professional and that you are humble and open to discipline speaks highly of your maturity. I hope that your school's administrators take that into account when they decide on your corrective action.Sun408,
Thank you for your response. If I didn't make myself clear, I did have the meeting with him already and he told me at the end of the meeting that there will be a punishment he doens't know what it is but he will let me know in a few days after discussing the matter with other people or maybe the BON.
I did own up the unprofessional posting, I removed it immediately after my classmate called me and told me that students were talking about me. I didn't realize what I had done and that even the content of what I wrote, regardless if it did not mention patient identification is still a big slap on the hand and it's not right. I got too comfortable with writing and saying whatever was on my mind, realizing my entire world was on display classmates and friends/family. I didn't conduct myself professionally. I also didn't 100% understand the rules and terms of HIPAA and being ethical as a nurse....even though I thought it was ok to share what I wanted without revealing information. I apologized for embarassing myself and the school, and I appreciate the corrections he's working with me. I just want to keep doing what I"m doing and enjoy it still being within limits. People talk too much in this world and they interpret things very differently I should've not been so naive and stupid.
Thank you thoughfor the support.