The Day Nursing Student Apathy Got to Me

I love nursing students! I love their enthusiasm and nervous excitement when they walk into the emergency department for their specialty experience day. Most students are afraid that the nursing staff will avoid them. Every once in a while, though, it's the other way around and the staff nurse is the one who is being avoided. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

When I first started in our emergency department night shift, I noticed that the 2-3 students were largely ignored for the first half hour or so during shift change. They stood nervously by the desks, repeatedly adjusting their coats and book bags with a look of "please tell me what to do!" on their faces.

I looked around at the day shift staff, busily getting report on the sick, critical, violent, or the repeat pts that they will be taking over on, so busy that having to explain things to students was just not possible at that moment.

So I took over and made a whole structure for them which was heartily accepted by my coworkers. On student days, I try to wrap things up early and give a quick orientation. I give a few tips on NCLEX, on how to stay cool in crazy situations, and what to expect for the day, and what to do when an ambulance arrives with a pt. Then I pair people up with the most patient, coolest and toughest 20+ year vets and go home. I usually get told how the students did when I get back to work that night. It's almost always great news. The evening students are always paired with me.

When it hits the fan at the wrong moment, I still have been able to get them in on mega-codes, help ortho MDs reset bones, start CPR, explain the critical nature of XYZ patient, and why that walking/talking pt will be sent to the ICU. Even with varying degrees of receptiveness, students have almost always been amazingly well mannered and willing to dig in. Except once.

One day last semester, a pair of students came down and I noticed increasing amounts of boredom/irritation as I went through my (now well practiced and tailored) orientation when I was interrupted in my talk about megacodes.

"I don't want to see that, and I definitely don't want to DO that. Just tell me where to stand while they do whatever they have to do and I'll wait until it's all over," she said dismissively.

I was floored. I asked her if she had intention to work as a nurse. She answered that she did, but not in any situation where she would have to do anything dirty or see blood. In fact, she planned to get her NP as soon as possible so she could just write orders and walk away. Her friend agreed.

When I asked her why she was in the E.R. rotation, she said that it was only because she had been assigned to it. I could only think about the other students who would have loved to be there and what a waste of everyone's time it was for her to have even been there at all. I couldn't help but think of what a waste of time it was for me to have just spent the last 20 minutes telling them anything at all since it had clearly been thrown away before I even spoke.

To tell you the truth, I was completely upset. I remained upset for almost a week. I spoke to my coworkers who said that many times they will avoid having a student because of that very attitude. I ended up going home and thinking that I didn't know if all students secretly felt that way. If so, why was I putting so much effort into them?

Just before the winter break, I spoke to an instructor and asked her opinion. She gave me great news. It was this, "Just send them back to their instructors and pop an email to the school."

Huh. So with the semester ending, I dug back into work and stopped thinking about it.

This semester the students started to arrive again. I watched them stand a fidget for a moment before my instincts took over and I started to cautiously orient them. My fears were immediately dissolved when one asked "Do you think we might get to do CPR?"

Thank God for the kind of students I look forward to seeing in my department.

I wish you worked at my hospital. I know us students are always in the way and can't do much but honestly would it hurt people to be like this nurse and teach us a thing or two or at least be kind?

On behalf of students everywhere thank you so much for giving us your time and energy!

Specializes in Hospitalist Medicine.

Please, please, please let me get a nurse like you when I do ER!!! So far, most of the nurses I've had treat us like we're a nuisance. I do everything I can to make their job (and the CNA's job) easier. I do hourly rounding, I chart vitals, I&O, help with pts in other rooms, answer call lights (even when it's not my pt), etc. Even doing that, when I ask if there's anything I can do or a procedure I can watch, it's inevitably the "I hate having students" attitude I get. I LOVE the days when I get a nurse who wants to teach and lets me shadow him/her on the floor. I learn SO much when they do this. Unfortunately, those nurses are far & few between. Most of the nurses I get do everything they can to sit in front of the computer & chit-chat all day. My instructor makes it a point each week to say "this is an example of what NOT to do when you're a nurse". We're at a facility with very low morale, especially in last semester's unit. Weren't they students once? Don't they remember what it's like?

So please, be the wonderful teacher that you are. There are students who TRULY appreciate it!!! :)

You're the kind of preceptor I would have loved to have, but almost never got.

My ER experience was miserable. The nurse I was assigned to was nasty... By the end of the day, I was almost in tears. I've never really been interested in the ER as a career, but I think I would have enjoyed it much more if I got to work with nurses who were patient and considerate towards students.

Thank you for what you do... Unfortunately there aren't enough nurses like you!!

Scary. We had two students the other day at my job. $50K+ a year BSN program, graduating in May...neither knew how to take a manual BP. Don't come near me!

Specializes in CVICU.
Scary. We had two students the other day at my job. $50K+ a year BSN program, graduating in May...neither knew how to take a manual BP. Don't come near me!

Why on Earth would anyone pay $50k a year for a BSN program?

Specializes in PCCN.

I just wish you as a precepter could have excused those students for the day and wrote a note to their instructors.

Sorry. We ALL HAVE to pay our dues. That means getting dirty. At least once.

Maybe those people would have been better off attending PA school, and I would have told them so.

Why on Earth would anyone pay $50k a year for a BSN program?

My thoughts exactly. Its hard enough for BSN grads to get a job here, but they are starting out their lives with a mortgage in student loans.

Similar to all the above comments, I would have loved to have you as my clinical teacher. I was lucky enough to have people who did show me the time of day and taught me lots. I was excited to be able to do 6 of 10 med-surge days in the ER and my entire preceptorship in the ER. I, so far, love the ER - the ability to help scared people, the rush of it, the nothing is ever the same routine, all of it. Keep doing what you are doing…there will always be a few bad apples, but most of us students love being able to dig in and really learn if we are helped to overcome the initial nervousness of not really knowing what we are doing.

As a newly minted RN I would love tips on how to get into an ER and learn to how to do it. I can barely get a an acknowledgement of existence much less a call back, though all the places I've applied do, in fact, hire new grads for their ER, at least from time to time.

The Mia scene from pulp fiction comes to mind. A little wake up.

Of course there's the issue of a hole in the heart, jail, fired.

Specializes in Neuroscience.

I would love to have you teaching me! I was able to rotate to the ER during my first semester. I didn't know how to do anything besides an assessment, but I assure you I was eager and willing. I watched IV's be started, I asked questions, and I was able to participate in a training of a new intraosseous drill they were using. They even let me practice on the fake bone.

I hope I am able to be rotated to the ER when I have a larger skill base. I would gladly get my hands dirty! I feel that those students missed out on the great opportunity you provided them. Their loss, but don't you dare lose hope in those of us who are so eager for that very same opportunity. I'm sure they are the minority!

Specializes in GI,Telemetry, Trauma ICU, Endoscopy.

I always appreciated mentors like you when I was a student nurse! In fact, my very first ER experience was with a great preceptor. That day I got my first IV, Drew blood, did CPR and even got to go up and get a patient out of the life flight helicopter. I still tell people the story to this day that I was so nervous drawing up dilaudid with a filter needle for the first time and how I spilled the majority of it. Needless to say, the patient who was getting an i&d of an anal abscess did not get adequate pain control :wideyed:. Surgeon was waiting and my preceptor didn't feel she had time to waste and grab another vial. Not the finest moment in patient care, but was a premium learning experience and my preceptor was totally understanding and awesome. But I digress, awesome mentors make for awesome experiences especially in the ER!

Specializes in nursing education.

Just before the winter break, I spoke to an instructor and asked her opinion. She gave me great news. It was this, "Just send them back to their instructors and pop an email to the school."

Huh. So with the semester ending, I dug back into work and stopped thinking about it.

That must have felt great to have the burden of having to worry about it off your shoulders!

This semester the students started to arrive again. I watched them stand a fidget for a moment before my instincts took over and I started to cautiously orient them. My fears were immediately dissolved when one asked "Do you think we might get to do CPR?"

Thank God for the kind of students I look forward to seeing in my department.

I hope you always get this kind of student. What a wonderful thing for them, to get this kind of experience because of you.