How ironic that this is an issue in an ethics class - page 4

Our first essay (the final copy) in our ethics class is due two weeks from today. What the professor had us do was bring 2 hard copies to class last week, one goes to him, the other you trade with... Read More

  1. by   AZmom
    Quote from CRNASOMEDAY25
    I am wondering why you would bother putting any part of this person's essay into a search engine. I know you said parts of it were unclear, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Was it a word they used you couldn't define? If so, then why not put the word by itself into dictionary.com or something? I don't see why you would bother putting entire phrases in for clarification. A single word shouldn't have brought up an entire essay.

    Of course, maybe you just thought they had plagerized all along. But why would that thought enter your mind if you didn't know this person?
    I can't answer for the OP, but I think sometimes you can just get a feel for things. I've been in a similar situation, having not even met the person doing the plaigerizing, and yet had a hunch that that's what it was. Stuck a phrase in google when I didn't understand the concept they were trying to relay and voila: they stole it.

    And about googling...... One word googles lead to many many hits, some completely irrelevant. Wrap a phrase in quotes and you'll get less hits, but more defined to what you're looking for. I do it that way all. the. time.
  2. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from CRNASOMEDAY25
    I am wondering why you would bother putting any part of this person's essay into a search engine. I know you said parts of it were unclear, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Was it a word they used you couldn't define? If so, then why not put the word by itself into dictionary.com or something? I don't see why you would bother putting entire phrases in for clarification. A single word shouldn't have brought up an entire essay.

    Of course, maybe you just thought they had plagerized all along. But why would that thought enter your mind if you didn't know this person?
    But really, how she came about this information is hardly relevant in light of what she found.

    You could Google any of my tomes for hours and never get a hit because they're original. You might find my references, however, and that is what I assume Marie was doing--trying to shed some light on a concept that was used ambiguously in that student's paper.
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from CRNASOMEDAY25
    I am wondering why you would bother putting any part of this person's essay into a search engine. I know you said parts of it were unclear, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Was it a word they used you couldn't define? If so, then why not put the word by itself into dictionary.com or something? I don't see why you would bother putting entire phrases in for clarification. A single word shouldn't have brought up an entire essay.

    Of course, maybe you just thought they had plagerized all along. But why would that thought enter your mind if you didn't know this person?
    I appreciate the accusations, thanks.

    I said i typed in a 'string' of words, not phrase, not even entire phrases. Some were one at a time, some not. And i never said that i had thought that had plagiarized the whole, simply because i didn't think they had.

    The essay, however, was not easy to understand due to certain words used, hence the reason i did a search for some of them. (which i'd already stated this in post #1)
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Sep 30, '06
  4. by   AllyRN82
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    I appreciate the accusations, thanks.

    I said i typed in a 'string' of words, not phrase, not even entire phrases. Some were one at a time, some not. And i never said that i had thought that had plagiarized the whole, simply because i didn't think they had.

    The essay, however, was not easy to understand due to certain words used, hence the reason i did a search for some of them. (which i'd already stated this in post #1)
    Oh I wouldn't worry about her comment, Marie.

    I think it doesn't matter how you got the info, the fact is that you got it. I think you did the right thing and so do a lot of people on here.
  5. by   Lisa CCU RN
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    I appreciate the accusations, thanks.

    I said i typed in a 'string' of words, not phrase, not even entire phrases. Some were one at a time, some not. And i never said that i had thought that had plagiarized the whole, simply because i didn't think they had.

    The essay, however, was not easy to understand due to certain words used, hence the reason i did a search for some of them. (which i'd already stated this in post #1)
    Well, I didn't accuse you of anything. At least I don't think I did. I simply asked what made you want to type "strings of words" or phrases or whatever of this person's paper into a search engine.

    If I edited someone's paper, I would make suggestions on how to make it flow more smoothly and on syntax and spelling, puntuation and the like. I STILL don't see how I'd get clarification on anything in a person's paper because the paper I person writes isn't likely to be published on the internet.

    Maybe I'm missing something, but it's something that wouldn't cross my mind to do UNLESS I thought I had heard or read those words previously.

    A professor who reads extensively in a subject would certainly be alerted to a deviation in writing style by a student whose papers they have graded in the past, but you say you didn't know this person. That's why I don't understand what would make you want to verify anything.

    Sorry, if you feel "accused". That wasn't my intention, I just didn't see any reason for you to search for anything.

    For the record, you did the right thing by alerting the professor.
  6. by   rn/writer
    Quote from CRNASOMEDAY25
    If I edited someone's paper, I would make suggestions on how to make it flow more smoothly and on syntax and spelling, puntuation and the like. I STILL don't see how I'd get clarification on anything in a person's paper because the paper I person writes isn't likely to be published on the internet.
    The essay, however, was not easy to understand due to certain words used, hence the reason i did a search for some of them.
    I take this to mean that Marie thought looking up keywords might lead her to entries that would help to clarify concepts the other student was writing about.

    I do this all the time for both personal and professional reasons. I did it yesterday when someone on this board referred to a kind of testing that I had never heard of. You type in a couple of words or phrases and, voila, there is enough information to fill a library. Of course, if you enter a number of specific key words/phrases, the search narrows Then, if something has been lifted verbatim, that, too, will present itself.

    Plagiarizers need to remember that the very same Internet that aids and abets their illicit activity can also be their undoing.

    Marie, did you go ahead and edit this paper as if you didn't know about the plagiarism? Let us know what happens?
  7. by   JaxiaKiley
    I'm glad you stepped up and told your prof!

    (For the record, when I first read this, I was wondering why she'd type it into Google. But then I realized I do it all the time if I run across something that is confusing )
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I went ahead and edited it, since we get a grade for our essay from him, and we get a grade based on how we did with editing someone else's. I wrote a lot of remarks related to "clarification" of point, "wordy", things like that. I also mentions how hard it was to understand what was being said. SEVERAL words in it were words i'd never even heard of, let alone knew what they meant.
  9. by   smk1
    I always amazes me when people try to get away with cheating. If you can't do the work to earn the grade, then you are just digging a deeper hole to climb out of later on. Marie you did the right thing.
  10. by   Lisa CCU RN
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    I went ahead and edited it, since we get a grade for our essay from him, and we get a grade based on how we did with editing someone else's. I wrote a lot of remarks related to "clarification" of point, "wordy", things like that. I also mentions how hard it was to understand what was being said. SEVERAL words in it were words i'd never even heard of, let alone knew what they meant.
    See, that what you wrote just now about not knowing what several of the words meaning explains things. Now I do see as a reason to look up the words and now I see why it lead to what you found.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just didn't see why you'd ever think to google anyone's paper w/o any prior suspicions.
    To be perfectly honest, I was thinking to myself, why would someone automatically assume someone was cheating because I didn't see a logical reason to start the search.
  11. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    The girl wasn't in class tonight. I turned in the copy i'd graded, nothing unusual happened.
  12. by   GeminiTwinRN
    hmm. wonder if she wasn't in class tonight because the instructor had already confronted her?

    has she missed before?
  13. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Not sure if she's missed before or not.

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