Atheist Professers - page 16

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  1. by   Stargazer
    What Vegas said.
  2. by   LasVegasRN
    Originally posted by studentOH
    To all Christians: Your diversity and unity give you great power in this world. Lead a life of love, peace and acceptance and others will soon follow...
    My point exactly. With all religions and faiths, I would think that the goal is to be able to embrace and respect ALL. Not to isolate and alienate.
  3. by   live4today
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    I am directing this post specifically to PuppyLuv. I got a PM asking why I thought Indeed's post was a good one. Here was my reply (slightly revised for this post):

    I thought it was a great post because it was not condescending at all. She presented her thoughts in a very intelligent, non-confrontational way, which is extremely difficult to do with a controversial subject. She made it clear that it was her opinion, and based on her thoughts only. I do not understand atheism either, but it is not for me to understand, nor to condemn or pass judgement. What I cannot stand, as a Christian, is when other Christians start name-calling and bashing other people and other faiths. That, in my opinion, is not the way of a Christian. My belief is that we should lead by example. Christianity should not consist of people who like beating others with bibles and attacking with condescension. How can we expect others to reach out and at least consider Christianity as something that represents love and tolerance when we have people behaving like that? I know some may not agree with me, but I truly believe Christianity is rooted in love of all mankind. As Christians and as HUMANS, that love should show through when ever we speak and how ever we act.

    To me, if you are solid with your faith-base, no one and nothing can influence you or intimidate you. I don't normally espouse my beliefs on this BB because I don't feel the need to. I am comfortable enough in my faith-base to not be uncomfortable with someone else's. Make sense? Hope so.
    VERY WELL WRITTEN, AND SO SO TRUE, LASVEGASRN...:kiss
  4. by   Sarahstudent
    I too copied and sent it too my Catholic husband who has a hard time understanding my Atheist veiws. You hit the nail on the head Indeed! Not so much to sway him in anyway but to help him understand who I am because it is a hard concept to put into words and you did so very elequently.
  5. by   Mkue
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN

    My point exactly. With all religions and faiths, I would think that the goal is to be able to embrace and respect ALL. Not to isolate and alienate.

    Well said Vegas !
    Have a good Day!
  6. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    All following posts by indeed

    I have faith in my loved ones honesty and trust of me, in their loyalty to me and our relationships.
    You can see the honesty, loyalty, and trust in thier actions. That is not really "faith" as we are speaking of, but rather, confidence in them.

    Faith, as I am speaking of, is in an unseen God with which people have no physical proof of.

    I don't see a person's statement of his/her belief in god as an attack.
    If you really believe that there is no God, then it is an attack on your belief. Attack is a strong word, but appropriate when discussing opposing viewpoints. Nobody has to attack you verbally for it to be an attack on your unbeliefs.

    Origin does not, in my belief system, need to be reasoned from faith. As I said above, I feel this is something we simply do not have knowledge of YET

    So, your belief system has no faith. Atheists have no (need) for faith. That's not a slam on atheism, it's just true. I don't understand why anybody thinks that's a slam.

    Atheist, I BELIEVE that the things which we cannot (at this very milisecond) explain are not, by nature, unexplainable. Like lightning and the shape of the earth, there is much that we STILL do not know...but all that means to me is that we haven't gotten to that point in our development as humans yet. One who believes in god, I imagine, will believe that the unexplainable can be explained ONLY through the presence of a higher power.
    I also believe that physical phenomenom that are outside our realm of understanding are attributable to as yet unworkable hypothesis. I think you are trying to equillibrate the term "having beliefs" with "having a doctrine" as I was trying to compare the term.

    Atheists don't have a faith based belief system. It's not a slam, nor is it "derogotory", as some have eluded to without quotes.



    It doesn't really make a difference to me at this point. But understand that you are not the only one, and that our motivations as Atheists for wanting to keep "god" out of our government and public lives is born not of denial or what have you, but a desire to be able to live our lives outside of the dictates of YOUR BELIEFS.

    Well then, wouldn't that just be living life inside the dictates of your beliefs(as you have stated them) if the notion of God was removed?

    The question persists, if God does not exist,why do atheists care? It seems contradictry and a point of debate that is one of those unexplainable phenomenon.

    Thank you for quoting and offering it up for discussion Indeed. I appreciate the manner in which you conducted such a difficult topic and the forum for a counter-point from an equally thoughtful response.
  7. by   indeed
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur


    You can see the honesty, loyalty, and trust in thier actions. That is not really "faith" as we are speaking of, but rather, confidence in them.

    Faith, as I am speaking of, is in an unseen God with which people have no physical proof of.
    Well, YOUR definition of faith aside....faith is an unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence; complete trust, confidence, or reliance; ANYTHING BELIEVED (culled from Websters New World College Dictionary, 3rd edition). In other words, I have an unquestioning belief (born of love for them) that those close to me will never intentionally do me wrong...they have my complete confidence, even when they screw up and wrong me inadvertantly...in short, I BELIEVE IN THEM. If that's not faith, I do not know what is.


    If you really believe that there is no God, then it is an attack on your belief. Attack is a strong word, but appropriate when discussing opposing viewpoints. Nobody has to attack you verbally for it to be an attack on your unbeliefs.
    Someone expressing their beliefs and opinions to me can hardly be seen as an attack merely because they disagree with my beliefs and opinions. If, say, your favorite color is orange and it comes up in conversation that I absolutely abhor the color orange...am I attacking you? Hardly. Do not speak for me, Peeps. You may see disagreement as an attack, I see it as nothing more than disagreement.


    So, your belief system has no faith. Atheists have no (need) for faith. That's not a slam on atheism, it's just true. I don't understand why anybody thinks that's a slam.
    Again, I will refer you to the accepted definition of faith. Faith is BELIEF WITHOUT PROOF. I believe that there is no god/gods/goddess etc. I do not need proof that god doesn't exist. Therefore, I have faith that there is no god. You saying that Atheists have no beliefs was not perceived as a slam. I responded to let you know that this Atheist most certainly has beliefs directly related to spirituality. What was perceived as a slam was the wording in your first post which, as I said before, struck me as a long winded version of the now infamous "confused little people."



    I also believe that physical phenomenom that are outside our realm of understanding are attributable to as yet unworkable hypothesis. I think you are trying to equillibrate the term "having beliefs" with "having a doctrine" as I was trying to compare the term.
    I was not speaking exclusively about physical phenomena. Those things physical were used as an example because that, I believe, was how the idea of god came about...to explain the physical. As I said, we are at a point as a species where it's not just the physical anymore, and in my mind, that is the next step. Just because we can't explain it, physical or otherwise, doesn't mean we will never be able to.


    Atheists don't have a faith based belief system. It's not a slam, nor is it "derogotory", as some have eluded to without quotes.
    So tell me Peeps, since you are obviously more knowledgeable about the belief systems of Atheists, what are our beliefs based on? A lot of people assume that Atheists do not believe in god because we don't have proof of god. That is incorrect, in my case and in many other's. We do not have proof that there is no god, but we have FAITH that, able to be proven or not, there is, in fact, no god.


    Well then, wouldn't that just be living life inside the dictates of your beliefs(as you have stated them) if the notion of God was removed?

    The question persists, if God does not exist,why do atheists care? It seems contradictry and a point of debate that is one of those unexplainable phenomenon.
    Yes, I would be living inside the dictates of my beliefs if the notion of god were entirely obliterated...but then, I suppose, so would everyone else. And that is not my intention. I have more important things to worry about than what Joe P. Normal believes. Put quite simply, I don't give a ****. And Mr. Normal shouldn't give a **** about what I believe either. Therefore, when myself and Mr. Normal meet and do public business in our day to day lives, the beliefs of either party should not come into play. As it stands right now, in this country, I can't go about my daily grind without being forced to give a **** about Mr. Normal's beliefs because what Joe believes is going to have a HUGE effect on how I must live publicly...and all because Joe is in a majority. I wouldn't deny him his beliefs, only the ability of his beliefs to dictate (to an extent) how I must go about living my life. I am not asking for an obliteration of belief in god...only that it not play a role in those public things that ALL of us (Atheist or otherwise) have a hand in. That, in a rather large nutshell, is why this Atheist cares.

    Indeed.
  8. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    By Indeed

    that those close to me will never intentionally do me wrong...they have my complete confidence, even when they screw up and wrong me inadvertantly...in short, I BELIEVE IN THEM. If that's not faith, I do not know what is.
    They are close to you.........you know them personaly. That is nothing like having faith in a God that you have never met(burning bush) that you have to have faith in.


    What was perceived as a slam was the wording in your first post which, as I said before, struck me as a long winded version of the now infamous "confused little people."
    I put those words in bold letters as a joke. It was tounge-in-cheek. You know.ha,ha. I can see that some people just can't get my humor all the time and I'm ok with that.


    I responded to let you know that this Atheist most certainly has beliefs directly related to spirituality.
    Spirituality? I think the general concept of spirituality would be for one to harbor belief in a god of some type. Of course, you could just rationalize spirituality as a feeling, but then that would be physical.

    I was not speaking exclusively about physical phenomena. Those things physical were used as an example because that, I believe, was how the idea of god came about.
    A phenomenon is only observable physicaly. The example of previous cultures worshiping false gods was a good one for an example of how unexplained physical phenomenon can be rationalized into a belief in an unexplained(faith) god.
    There is no non-physical phenomenon. If it can't be registerd by the 5 senses, then it does not exist. What example of some occurence that is not physical can you give?


    So tell me Peeps, since you are obviously more knowledgeable about the belief systems of Atheists, what are our beliefs based on? A lot of people assume that Atheists do not believe in god because we don't have proof of god. That is incorrect, in my case and in many other's. We do not have proof that there is no god, but we have FAITH that, able to be proven or not, there is, in fact, no god.
    Our respective definitions of faith differ greatly.
    Let me see if I understand what you're saying.

    1. You do not believe in not believing in God for lack of proof.

    2. You do believe that if there were an experiment to test the existence of God, it would be moot, because you don't believe there is a God

    3. You have no need to make examples of people mistaking unexplained phenomenon for a diety because you need no proof.

    I can't go about my daily grind without being forced to give a **** about Mr. Normal's beliefs because what Joe believes is going to have a HUGE effect on how I must live publicly...and all because Joe is in a majority.
    When you see "in God we trust" on currency, that has an effect on you?
    When someone utters "one nation under God" from the Pledge you are affected?

    Do you feel attacked by it like you privacy as a citizen is violated?
  9. by   Sarahstudent
    It does bring peace of mind telling yourself that Christ exists and we will all be together in an after life. From knowing this I can see why humans adopted Christ, as a comfort. The unknowing, and unexplainable factors of life formed the Christian Faith. I do follow the moral guidelines set by a Christian faith because they are good guidelines, great guidelines. Without the moral order set by Christian faiths the world would be a scary place. It's funny because I do pray the odd time. Maybe a part of me wants to believe, or perhaps it does believe, but my intellect pushes it away. Or perhaps growing up with a faith has just made praying second nature. When I pray, I pray to the goodness and spirit of mankind, to whatever force drives our spirits. You see my confusion comes from the spirit of man. How can anyone explain Human Spirit? Is it a chemically induced dream phase? Is it energy from the sun? Is it a creation of God? I will be forever seeking this answer; therefore I will forever be seeking my religion.

    I'm different from you in that I can't just believe in something that I've been told from birth to be true. I have to question it. How can I brace my existence on what someone else's beliefs are? The Bible to me really holds no value. Many Christians say that it is "proof of the lord", how is it? God didn't write it. It was written in a day of illiteracy. And if you do claim that it was the word of God through the writings of his prophets, how do you know? Just faith? Where can I get that faith? It certainly would be easier.

    If the bible is true, why are we here on earth? To prove your love to the lord? Our Allegiance to him? How can I do that without cheating everything my mind has ever told me? I'm going to trust my instincts and look for an answer elsewhere. I think I have good instincts.

    To be Christian is to believe in Christ and I do not. Am I an Atheist? An Agnostic? Who really knows? I don't ever want to label myself as a certain religion ever again. To do so would be committing myself to the standards of other people. My personal religion is just that, personal. You will never understand it, but I hope that you can try to see it, and accept it for what it is.

    It's hard when someone asks me what my faith is. I wish that I could give a reply, and the road that I've chosen isn't the easy one. I feel that when the subject is broached, I'm a bad person for not believing in God, like people think that I'm pushing away goodness and letting evil take over my life. It is common knowledge among Christians that if you don't follow god, you're following the devil. This scares people away from someone like me. Lets say for a second that the devil has taken my soul. How come I feel like a good person? I think that what it really does is make people question their own belief system, if only for a second. It's a threat to Christian beliefs, to its foundation. My beliefs are not meant to threaten anyone. They are personal.
  10. by   Sarahstudent
    {When you see "in God we trust" on currency, that has an effect on you?
    When someone utters "one nation under God" from the Pledge you are affected? Do you feel attacked by it like you privacy as a citizen is violated?}

    To see this as a attack or violation suggests that an atheist cares what others think. I really don't. I have a belief that I keep to myself (except on this forum) and I don't expect people to "Pledge" to a belief. It's indoctrination
  11. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    From StudentSarah

    It does bring peace of mind telling yourself that Christ exists and we will all be together in an after life
    Yea, like telephone psychics or such other persons that claim to speak for pets, deceased persons..etc.:chuckle



    I do follow the moral guidelines set by a Christian faith because they are good guidelines, great guidelines. Without the moral order set by Christian faiths the world would be a scary place.
    Glean the good stuff and chuck the rest.

    The Bible to me really holds no value. Many Christians say that it is "proof of the lord", how is it? God didn't write it. It was written in a day of illiteracy. And if you do claim that it was the word of God through the writings of his prophets, how do you know?
    Yea, how many hands and biased minds did all that scripture pass through. King James translated the modern popular Bible from original Hebrew. What could have been lost in the translation or biased by how the royal was feeling that day or the morality of the era?

    It's hard when someone asks me what my faith is. I wish that I could give a reply, and the road that I've chosen isn't the easy one. I feel that when the subject is broached, I'm a bad person for not believing in God, like people think that I'm pushing away goodness and letting evil take over my life. It is common knowledge among Christians that if you don't follow god, you're following the devil. This scares people away from someone like me
    You'll find, as I have, that having an opinnion that is different from either side of the issue gives you the unique opportunity to be flamed by both sides.
    I think even coming close to touching an understanding of the possibility that what you think might be a load of crap, is just too much for some people. Doctrinal people rationalize some make-believe concept to shield themselves from critical thinking.

    In science, one hypothesis is only good enough untill something better comes along. I think that's what most people really think even if they won't admit it.
  12. by   karmagrl
    yeehaw......thems fighting words there partner

    gone one day......and zip, zing, kapow.......more fireworks.......

    question:---

    is it really so important in G*d's eyes what one believes, but is it not more important how we treat each other? and .......

    isn't G*d, the only one to decide how one gets "swift justice"?





    cheers
    karmagrl.........:kiss
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Karma,

    I think you're addressing me.............Darn, since you're under that chair, I can't get ya:chuckle

    ATTENTION: Flamers, the above response was intended for humor only. Any inference to real or imagined suggestions of violence upon Karma's screename or likeness is strictly and firmly denied.

    Anyhoo, the "swift justice" thing is part of my signature. It's not in my post.:uhoh21:

    Ahem, ATTENTION: Flamers, please don't read into my post that I am in any way chastising Karma or casting inuendo in double secret code about your dysfunctional reasoning abilities. I really do mean to draw Karma's attention to the fact that they may have mistaken my signature for part of my post.


    I would like to write more today, but I think I'm all tapped out on the "trying to have an exchange of ideas" thing.

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