Would You Pray if your Patient asked? - page 6
If a patient asked you to pray with or for them at the bedside, would you? I had this discussion with some other nurses and the responses were interesting. Some said they would have no problem,... Read More
Apr 29, '02Originally posted by Stargazer
I am a little disturbed by the assumption being made that everyone IS religious, just not necessarily the same religion. What about the nurse who is agnostic or atheist?
I just thought I would put it out there that not everyone is completely comfortable with, uh, putting it out there. For some people, religion is as private a topic as it gets. And I don't think those people are necessarily horrible, selfish, judgemental (?) people.
Thanks for putting this into perspective.
As for as wholistic nursing care, which includes spirtuality, I believe that this is a "theory" of nursing that not every nurse practices. A nurse who encounters a patient that is in need of spirtual healing should have the option to defer to another nurse or clergy member who is best suited for such circumstances.
Wholistic nursing simply means that the nurse recognizes the importance of mind, body and spirit in the entire healing process; not that she has to pray or provide religious ceremonies.
Apr 29, '02Not only can nurses pray with a patient or family member, they can go one step beyond !
Using a Palm Vx and a (freeware) program entitled "Holy Rosary", you can use the Palm (or compatible) PDA to guide you through each step of the Rosary. It tells you even the most intricate details in the order that they are done.
Apr 29, '02There are people, like me, who see the idea of belief in God similiar to Santa Claus, or the Great Pumplkin. Not saying this as a put down, but mearly the perspective, and understanding. No way would I assert any personal opinions re: honest spiritual feelings. I save that for allnurses.com. YOU are my choosen people :-) (choosen by me to be honest with like this) :-(
If someone came to me and said they baptised my premie kid I would feel hurt inside, and just say "thanks<: I know for a FACT that those baptism prayers aren't going to harm or help my child, but I wouldn't wanna surprise the staff with my feelings. Religion is by nature mob like and bully of personal, individual feelings. People have alot of similiar earmark traits to other animal species
There would be a time limit on how long I could spend in a sayonce (SAY-ohhn-sss), or singing a hymnn, or bowing to mecca, or breathing insense, or killing animals, chanting, in a pew, clasped hands. I'm sorry :-(
Apr 30, '02to me prayer is talking and being with.....
there may be somethings I cannot do.......
like specifics of a religion.....and that is k'
but I can and won't shy away from a patient that wants and needs to talk and cry with a shoulder that can bear it.....
religious, agnostic, hell's angel, mentally retarded, atheist, or
specifics of a religion.....if know them I may use them if I am comfortable.....but that is also where the experts should be called in........
the chaplains.......where I am they are great.........
regardless of the denomination or lack of denomination that they are.....they are educated on the specifics of multiple belief systems and treat patients as individuals first then address the holistic nature of their need, then address any specifics if that is requested by the patient and family.....
nothing is forced on the patient.........
and sometimes the chaplains(the great ones), know when to just come in and talk and listen......and get outside "assistance" and not trying to enter every arena.........
but i worked too long tonight, but the hour is late.........and I drone on.............and just getting over a hoopsy whimdinger of a cold/flu.........
so i close for now and try to sleep and dream.........Last edit by micro on Apr 30, '02
Apr 30, '02Any time, anywhere!
I think illness forces people to examine their belief system. When they are feeling well, it is easy to take your health and God for granted. It is only in the stressful times that a lot of people recognize that they are not in touch with God the way they would like to be. If I can help, I will.
Apr 30, '02Goodness, what a turn this thread took!
All I can say regarding the agnostic/atheist nurses is that if a patient asks for them to say a prayer on their behalf when that patient is unable to do so on their own that you will make the effort to find someone QUICKLY who can. However, if I were that patient, I'd feel that nurse abandoned me in my greatest time of need. I know... I know.. shouldn't discuss religion & politics, BUT I'm quite sure (as do I, but no need to answer) there are patients who would wonder how someone could go into a healing profession without having a spiritual base. AGAIN, no need to answer this, but just MHO.
Apr 30, '02lasvegasrn.............I truly think a good person/NURSE.....OR A GOOD PERSON/nurse...........
as sometimes as we know time is of the essence.............would not let their belief system interfere with the patient's request.........because there is not the always the time to get someone else...........
this is what I believe and practice..................
Apr 30, '02When I first became a nurse I was told nurses enter the profession for a lot of reasons. Now, after 4 years of nursing I understand this.
We, as professionals do our best with what we have to work with. I believe strongly that spirituality is part of the basics of assessment;it is an important component in healing.
I started out wanting to comment on how handy those little avatars are. One little picture can say what we can not put into words... I find it so frustrating that some of us are almost apologizing for having strong views about our faith. Forgive me if this sounds strong but why is it we need to be sheepish about this component of health care and meeting its' needs?
Apr 30, '02I myself border on agnostic. I have studied various spriitual and religious systems for many years.
I have asked others to pray for me. At times I didn't even believe myself that there was anyone to pray to or that prayers were real. However, when I have asked I figured it can't hurt. I expected the person to pray in their own tadition. Often I'd say this when I knew the person was on their way to church/temple. Or when I knew the person prayed frequently. Always the person's face lights up and they smile when I ask this. It seems to do something for religious people to request this.
Some times I have really felt that I needed the aid of prayer. I often tell people they are in my prayers. Though I do not kneel and pray words to a personal deity. I do pray in my fashion.
There has been much scientific backed study that says prayer has a profound effect on healing even if the person was prayed for by others without thier knowledge. There fore I cannot dispute it's value in nursing.
I don't know if there is a God. Though I suspect there may be something. I don't know what God is. At the very least belief in a God has strong psychological benefits on people.
When I have been asked to pray with patients they have always recognized that I may not share their traditions beliefs or denomination and when I did pray in their tradition (remember my religious education) they were surprised. Generally patients and families do not expect me to lead a prayer in thier tradition. They have told me pray in my own, what ever that may be.
Occasionally they wanted prayes in their own tradition and would lead them.Last edit by Agnus on Apr 30, '02