Will marijuana ever be okay in nursing? - page 4

Okay I realize my username isn't the best for this topic... anyways :woot: Let's talk about marijuana. The fact that it's illegal is mindblowing. Let's ban a plant but not life crippling... Read More

  1. by   wondern
    I agree with CrunchRN. Plus alcohol gives some people the shakes when they don't have it which can highly affect dexterous skills. Cannabis does not do that. Did you ever see a surgeon with the shakes? It's rather frightening.
    Also cannabis does not pickle your liver.
    To say someone should choose another profession because they use cannabis is unrealistic to say the least.
    Last edit by wondern on Apr 5
  2. by   wondern
    Is it okay that people use Xanax everyday at work or not? Same difference but ones legal and ones not. Is it okay that people come in wreaking of alcohol from drinking all night the night before? Happens all the time because it's legal. Is that right? I personally would prefer a cannabis user as my caregiver than either of the above. The ridiculous part is it's not legal yet so all people can have a choice that's legal.
    Maybe since Trumps supposedly such a smart businessman he'll do something about it. Imagine the taxes!
  3. by   maxthecat
    OK, if the problem is that it is "a mind altering substance," then I guess we need to get rid of all the psych meds, too.
  4. by   LovingLife123
    Work in trauma sometime and then tell me there's nothing wrong with marijuana and it's safer than alcohol.

    You want some relief from the stress of nursing? Go work out at the gym. Best stress reliever ever. The best 60 minutes of my day.

    Opioids have their place. Perhaps not as much as they have been used in the past, but they most certainly have their place. For someone who is in pain and takes as prescribed, they do not cause addiction. It's when people take more than prescribed or when they no longer need them that addiction occurs.

    I'm also tired of hearing how marijuana "cures" absolutely everything. Along with apple cider vinegar, coconut oil, and whatever else "natural" is out there.

    You are looking for an escape from your stress. So does the alcoholic, the oxy addict, the heroin addict.
  5. by   elkpark
    Quote from wondern
    To say someone should choose another profession because they use cannabis is unrealistic to say the least.
    It's hardly "unrealistic" if the profession in question doesn't permit cannabis use. How dumb does someone have to be to put her/his license and livelihood at risk over a recreational drug?
    Last edit by elkpark on Apr 5
  6. by   wondern
    It's not a matter of how dumb, elkpark, respectfully. It's a matter of reality. People are using it medicinally and now some recreationally as well, legally. Its found to be helpful, for some very helpful.

    People do dumb stuff on opiates more and more everyday. Have you noticed on the news how many addicts lately are found passed out in their cars, OD'd in the parking lots of convenience stores, with their babies in the back in the car seat??? They're sooo addicted they can't live without it physically without harsh physical withdrawals. Something has got to be done about this opioid crisis and cannabis may help or even may be the answer to the problem.

    People also do really dumb stuff on alcohol, maybe more so than cannabis. Who knows? Someone on here said their husband who was a law enforcement officer said cannabis users in general seemed to be much less belligerent to deal with than alcohol users so...who knows? It just needs to be studied more. Maybe it could help society as a whole. Who knows?

    Both opiates and alcohol are physically addictive, correct? I believe so. Is cannabis? Not physically, I don't think.

    Plus now that some more progressive states are legalizing cannabis for recreational use wouldn't that be discriminatory to allow drinkers but not cannabis users? I don't know??? I guess an employer can do whatever they want really.

    Times are changing and we need to study these issues not only for our patients but also for ourselves if so desired.

    All change has to start with awareness of the problem, right? That's not dumb, is it?

    Opiates are being used where something much less harmful or addictive or killing could be used in its place. I don't call that dumb. I call that speaking out.

    A lot of good young people are dying from opioid addiction. Lots of babies are being left without parents. Something has got to give.
    Last edit by wondern on Apr 5
  7. by   Horseshoe
    Quote from wondern
    Plus now that some more progressive states are legalizing cannabis for recreational use wouldn't that be discriminatory to allow drinkers but not cannabis users?
    No, it would not be "discriminatory" legally because neither drinkers nor cannabis users are a protected class. Nor are smokers, the obese, or opiate users with legal prescriptions. Facilities may choose not to hire any of the above if they so desire. Or they may hire one and not the other.
    Last edit by Horseshoe on Apr 5
  8. by   No Stars In My Eyes
    Quote from LovingLife123
    You are looking for an escape from your stress. So does the alcoholic, the oxy addict, the heroin addict.
    '... As an extremely intelligent man said one time, "SO?" '

    [Thank you Will Ferrell as Ron Burgundy]
  9. by   Polskijames
    I think it totally should be okay, I'm right there with you. And to the people going on about it being bad for your health in terms of smoking I've got news....go into a dispensary and there are other ways of taking it (edibles, transdermal, liquid drops, pills, etc). I don't know if any of you listen to Dr drew, but he cites studies that show marijuana is not an addictive substance, is an adjunct to opioid therapy and can actually help people get OFF of them, and can help with mental illness...in addition to nausea, seizures, etc. I've been told that some hospitals in the rec states no longer routinely test for it. I also know it's up to the employer whether they want to tolerate use. But, why is a nightly CBD joint cap a problem when it isn't having any effect on my performance as a nurse or employee? Maybe if it was federally legal the boards might come around. Personally, I think it would be up to some state boards on whether they would not prosecute a license because of marijuana use. I could see CA or OR BoNs not disciplining nurses if they tested positive, but I still think we're a long way from that time. I can tell you that when I worked in CA no one cared, the physicians, the staff, it was a regular part of their lives. East of the continental divide is a different story.
  10. by   chare
    Quote from wondern
    It's not a matter of how dumb, elkpark, respectfully. It's a matter of reality. People are using it medicinally and now some recreationally as well, legally. Its found to be helpful, for some very helpful.
    [...]
    Only so long as the federal government continues to allow this by not enforcing federal statutes in states with "legal" recreational use. And while it hasn't happened yet, to my knowledge, it could at any moment, as Mr. Sessions has revoked the policy, established by Mr. Obama's DOH of non-enforcement.

    If you want to legally partake, this is going to have to happen at the federal level.

    Use of legalized marijuana threatened as Sessions rescinds Obama-era directive that eased federal enforcement - The Washington Post
  11. by   wondern
    Quote from LovingLife123
    Work in trauma sometime and then tell me there's nothing wrong with marijuana and it's safer than alcohol....
    Okay. A lot of us have worked with trauma victims. I saw way more with alcohol use and MVA's. Just saying since you went there. Really you see more from cannabis? Interesting. Are you in a legal state?

    I guess you did not actually say that when I reread.
  12. by   LovingLife123
    Quote from wondern
    Okay. A lot of us have worked with trauma victims. I saw way more with alcohol use and MVA's. Just saying since you went there. Really you see more from cannabis? Interesting. Are you in a legal state?

    I guess you did not actually say that when I reread.

    About 75% of my trauma victims are positive for THC. Sorry to burst your bubble on that. Often it's in combination with other substances, but it's still there. And often on its own.

    I get tired of hearing that's it's a completely benign substance because that is simply not true. Nor is it metabolized like alcohol.

    I think it can work medicinally for people with seizures as it slows the brain down which is what most anticonvulsants do. But it's not a cure all.

    And if I show up on the job under the influence of alcohol, I'm fired and will probably lose my license. Yet somehow it's supposed to be acceptable with marijuana?? People are grasping at straws.

    I had one glass of wine when I got home last night. I also did not work today and don't tomorrow. But I also know that the alcohol would have metabolized out of my system by this morning. Marijuana would not have.

    If somebody wants to prove me wrong with a peer reviewed study that shows no effects from marijuana 10 hours later, I would be glad to read it.
  13. by   Lady_Leijing
    Quote from wondern
    I also wonder if it's available in a pill form yet? Opium sure is.
    There is a synthetic cannaboid called Marinol that is a pearl-sized gel cap. When I worked Med-Surg, we occasionally had patients on it

close