Why would an ICU patient be on Viagra BID (off label use?) - page 2

A client that my wife cared for in an ICU environment had Viagra prescribed BID. This was a post-op CABG scenario. Is there an off label use for the drug not in Davis where this would be appropriate?... Read More

  1. by   HeartsOpenWide
    Quote from TennNurse
    Good questions, all. I hope someone here can answer them; I'd like to know as well.
    Anyone???
    It is not a magic pill that, "Wallah! You have an erection!" Directions indicate that arousal must be used and even gives examples of "kissing and touching" in the directions. (We have free samples in the office, it is quite often that the doctor comes out asking for a sample of "the blue pills" as to not embarrass the patient.)
    Just learned in class about a young man that thought he "would have a good time" and took four Viagra. He has an erection for 36 hours, but because he had the erection for so long, new blood was not entering the penis and the tissue died off. I guess it was kinda like a grand finale.:imbar
  2. by   RazorbackRN
    Quote from Agnus
    In the beginning when it was first marketed a lot of people (lay) thought that. They would take the pill and waited expecting it to just pop up on its own. There must be sexual excitement. Viagra did not eliminate the need for foreplay. If no sexual excitement no erection.

    Viagra allows an erection to happen in those who have physical difficulty in achieving and erection.


    I had a couple of ped's pts in the CVICU the other day that were both on Viarga for pulmonary HTN and they did have erections within a short time after receiving the drug. The nurse that was precepting me said that it was very common.
  3. by   Roland
    Quote from elkpark
    The whole point of "off-label" use is that the drug has not been FDA approved as "safe & effective" for that other use. It's a v. grey area legally. The FDA forbids the pharmaceutical companies to promote off-label uses of their drugs; I imagine that the Rx drug reference books, which only cover FDA approved Rx drugs, may well feel that it would be inappropriate to discuss non-FDA-approved usages of Rx drugs.

    That's just my best guess, though -- someone else may have a better answer.
    The thing is that Davis does include a section on "off label" uses however, in the case of Viagra none were referenced. My take is that if drugs are being used it is important for nurses to understand why whether or not the drug is FDA approved or being used in a nontraditional manner. Now if we can agree that it is important for nurses to understand even off label uses then most would probably also agree that there should be a standard reference which contains this information (understanding of course that off label uses are continually evolving and therefore no reference will ever be complete).
  4. by   Altra
    Quote from Roland
    My take is that if drugs are being used it is important for nurses to understand why whether or not the drug is FDA approved or being used in a nontraditional manner.
    There is, of course, simply asking the pt.'s MD about the ordered medication & getting insight into his/her thought process in ordering it.
  5. by   jeepgirl
    Quote from MLOS
    There is, of course, simply asking the pt.'s MD about the ordered medication & getting insight into his/her thought process in ordering it.
    But, if you get a particularly mean doc on a particularly bad day... some can be downright abusive when questioning orders.
  6. by   nurse4theplanet
    Quote from HeartsOpenWide
    It is not a magic pill that, "Wallah! You have an erection!" Directions indicate that arousal must be used and even gives examples of "kissing and touching" in the directions. (We have free samples in the office, it is quite often that the doctor comes out asking for a sample of "the blue pills" as to not embarrass the patient.)
    Just learned in class about a young man that thought he "would have a good time" and took four Viagra. He has an erection for 36 hours, but because he had the erection for so long, new blood was not entering the penis and the tissue died off. I guess it was kinda like a grand finale.:imbar
    I remember several news casts when viagra was first introduced as an errectile dysfunction drug concerning teenagers who were taking it bc they believed it would work like ectasy and make sex better/last longer. Many times the kids died or suffered horrendous complications.
  7. by   kurlykay
    I worked on a tele/renal floor for a while and Viagra was sometimes given to renal patients. It was supposed to increase blood flow to the kidneys by vasodialating or something like that. Did you patient have CRF also?
  8. by   chasBSN
    I had a patient just a few days ago on Viagra BID for high PA pressures. Her's were in the the 80's systolic. After a few days of being on the medication it came down to the 50's. It really worked for her.
  9. by   honeyb111
    Quote from Roland
    Thanks, your information also raises another question. Why is it that Davis (and I'm going to go out out a limb and assume that Lippencott, Mosby et al are the same) don't mention the off label uses for Viagra? Is there a text (or website) that extensively covers the off label uses of various drugs? Also, I just did a Google search and found this article that discussed Viagra after a CABG to reduce the chance of graft blockage www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/128/4/3065
    www.medscape.com covers off label uses of drugs. You do have to register (it's free!!!!!). One of my instructors gave me the site for a research paper I was doing (well still am doing but I took a break ). I did have to register as a medical professional, not a student to access the detailed info.

    According the site, Viagra is now labeled for Erectile Dysfunction and Pulmonary Hypertension. It didn't list any off-label uses - those usually rely on doctors reporting them tho.
  10. by   Gramea
    I also have been reading other investigational studies for this drug which include treatment for heart failure and migraines. It has a beta blocker type affect. It still can not be used if the patient is on nitrates.

    Elaine
  11. by   azrn22
    Viagra is also used for pulmonary hypertension.
  12. by   nursesherry
    tried to look at your link but it said it required a subscription. I would love to read the article though. I am a cardiology nurse and would love to learn more about this if anyone has similar documentation.

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