Nurses General Nursing
Published Nov 28, 2005
A client that my wife cared for in an ICU environment had Viagra prescribed BID. This was a post-op CABG scenario. Is there an off label use for the drug not in Davis where this would be appropriate?
babynurselsa, RN
1,129 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sildenafil
Check out the link. If you are looking it up as viagra you will find that it is marketed as an ED drug. If you look it up under the generic you will find tge original uses.
Hope this helps.
HeartsOpenWide, RN
1 Article; 2,889 Posts
Good questions, all. I hope someone here can answer them; I'd like to know as well.Anyone???
Anyone???
It is not a magic pill that, "Wallah! You have an erection!" Directions indicate that arousal must be used and even gives examples of "kissing and touching" in the directions. (We have free samples in the office, it is quite often that the doctor comes out asking for a sample of "the blue pills" as to not embarrass the patient.)
Just learned in class about a young man that thought he "would have a good time" and took four Viagra. He has an erection for 36 hours, but because he had the erection for so long, new blood was not entering the member and the tissue died off. I guess it was kinda like a grand finale.:imbar
RazorbackRN, BSN, RN
394 Posts
In the beginning when it was first marketed a lot of people (lay) thought that. They would take the pill and waited expecting it to just pop up on its own. There must be sexual excitement. Viagra did not eliminate the need for foreplay. If no sexual excitement no erection. Viagra allows an erection to happen in those who have physical difficulty in achieving and erection.
Viagra allows an erection to happen in those who have physical difficulty in achieving and erection.
I had a couple of ped's pts in the CVICU the other day that were both on Viarga for pulmonary HTN and they did have erections within a short time after receiving the drug. The nurse that was precepting me said that it was very common.
Roland
784 Posts
The whole point of "off-label" use is that the drug has not been FDA approved as "safe & effective" for that other use. It's a v. grey area legally. The FDA forbids the pharmaceutical companies to promote off-label uses of their drugs; I imagine that the Rx drug reference books, which only cover FDA approved Rx drugs, may well feel that it would be inappropriate to discuss non-FDA-approved usages of Rx drugs.That's just my best guess, though -- someone else may have a better answer.
That's just my best guess, though -- someone else may have a better answer.
The thing is that Davis does include a section on "off label" uses however, in the case of Viagra none were referenced. My take is that if drugs are being used it is important for nurses to understand why whether or not the drug is FDA approved or being used in a nontraditional manner. Now if we can agree that it is important for nurses to understand even off label uses then most would probably also agree that there should be a standard reference which contains this information (understanding of course that off label uses are continually evolving and therefore no reference will ever be complete).
Altra, BSN, RN
6,255 Posts
My take is that if drugs are being used it is important for nurses to understand why whether or not the drug is FDA approved or being used in a nontraditional manner.
There is, of course, simply asking the pt.'s MD about the ordered medication & getting insight into his/her thought process in ordering it.
jeepgirl, LPN, NP
851 Posts
But, if you get a particularly mean doc on a particularly bad day... some can be downright abusive when questioning orders.
nurse4theplanet, RN
1,377 Posts
It is not a magic pill that, "Wallah! You have an erection!" Directions indicate that arousal must be used and even gives examples of "kissing and touching" in the directions. (We have free samples in the office, it is quite often that the doctor comes out asking for a sample of "the blue pills" as to not embarrass the patient.)Just learned in class about a young man that thought he "would have a good time" and took four Viagra. He has an erection for 36 hours, but because he had the erection for so long, new blood was not entering the member and the tissue died off. I guess it was kinda like a grand finale.:imbar
I remember several news casts when viagra was first introduced as an errectile dysfunction drug concerning teenagers who were taking it bc they believed it would work like ectasy and make sex better/last longer. Many times the kids died or suffered horrendous complications.
kurlykay
52 Posts
I worked on a tele/renal floor for a while and Viagra was sometimes given to renal patients. It was supposed to increase blood flow to the kidneys by vasodialating or something like that. Did you patient have CRF also?
chasBSN
10 Posts
I had a patient just a few days ago on Viagra BID for high PA pressures. Her's were in the the 80's systolic. After a few days of being on the medication it came down to the 50's. It really worked for her.
honeyb111
63 Posts
Thanks, your information also raises another question. Why is it that Davis (and I'm going to go out out a limb and assume that Lippencott, Mosby et al are the same) don't mention the off label uses for Viagra? Is there a text (or website) that extensively covers the off label uses of various drugs? Also, I just did a Google search and found this article that discussed Viagra after a CABG to reduce the chance of graft blockage http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/128/4/3065
http://www.medscape.com covers off label uses of drugs. You do have to register (it's free!!!!!). One of my instructors gave me the site for a research paper I was doing (well still am doing but I took a break ). I did have to register as a medical professional, not a student to access the detailed info.
According the site, Viagra is now labeled for Erectile Dysfunction and Pulmonary Hypertension. It didn't list any off-label uses - those usually rely on doctors reporting them tho.
Gramea
3 Posts
I also have been reading other investigational studies for this drug which include treatment for heart failure and migraines. It has a beta blocker type affect. It still can not be used if the patient is on nitrates.
Elaine
azrn22
20 Posts
Viagra is also used for pulmonary hypertension.