Why the nurses get no respect... - page 9
Hello, everyone. I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to... Read More
Jun 23, '03Agree that continuing education and experience are an unbeatable combo.
Having started in nursing when we were inspected for hair, nails, slips and cleanliness of our shoes. Wearing starched all white, I get more respect now even though I wear ill fitting wrinkled . Would I like to wear nice starched stain free scrubs ...you bet. But I have to wear what comes up in the linen cart every day. No matter how much complaining we do, they are what they are. (You know, maybe it's that my figure is more matronly now.....now I get it)
Attitude is everything. I treat the people I work with respect and it is mutual. Patients, physicians, PAs, NPs, Techs, Janitors alike.
Part of my job is mentoring student nurses while they are in my department. I have to say some are absolutely wonderful. They listen, pay attention and ask questions. Some students have told me that they know everything about my department because they worked as an aide on a tele unit or have read the book. OK I won't waste my time with them.
Attitude is everything. I have worked with some real charmers during my career that placed themselves above everyone else for what ever reason. They don't get respect, they don't last very long anywhere no matter what they do. Nursing is a team effort.
Wish you luck..you are going to need it.
Jun 23, '03I always wear a lab coat . . either white or navy blue. So, I'm not sure about being treated any different. Maybe another difference with rural nursing.
Jun 23, '03Dave, You would get more "respect" because you are a guy....That is inflammatory but true, sadly, often...I command respect with my interest in the patient and my knowledge base....It isn't and shouldn't be mostly about what you wear or any of that kind of thing...People don't respect lawyers or other professions less due to their clothing..Nursing has its own stereotypical stuff going on so I ignore that...I present myself in as professional a manner as possible and do not allow either management or docs to bully me. If there is a discussion or disaggreement and I feel I have not been treated professionally or correctly, that person is going to hear about it and hear from me in a professional manner. Perhaps why I don't experience the "lack of respect" people mention...I simply refuse to accept it and will not tolerate treatment of me that I wouldn't give someone else....
Jun 23, '03I went back to read Dave's original premise just to refocus on what he actually did say.
I guess I still think he has made some valid points but to be honest, there are people in every profession who don't dress appropriately, don't continue to educate themselves, who mouth off about stuff they know very little about, whine, backbite, "eat their young", etc.
Maybe it is society wide trend. No real work ethic being taught anymore. Cheating is rampant in schools and no one even feels guilty for doing it. Parents rally around kids who cheat. Teachers pass them on to avoid problems. We aren't allowed to be "judgmental" so you can't say you think something might be wrong.
Maybe the problem is us. Maybe we created it. Or allowed it to happen.
I liked mother/babyRN's response . . you have to just NOT ALLOW lack of respect. Not put up the nonsense. Be "judgmental".
Jun 23, '03I'll tell you why nursing gets no respect.
1. Nurses don't demand respect. I've seen doctors ***** nurses out just because the nurse went to the resident because the intern wouldn't answer his page. The nurses just stood there quietly while the intern kept *****ing her out. Then when I asked her how she felt about it, she shrugged and said it was okay. I went ahead and talked to the resident and told what the intern had done. The resident was real cool and he went and *****ed the intern out for a good 10 minutes.
2. Nurses eat each other up. How can you respect your peers when your peers are the ones making trouble for you? I can honestly tell you that when a co-worker gets on my case I will get on her case. I'm not taking crap from anyone, I don't care if it's Jesus H. Christ himself. Give respect, get respect. Simple. If you write me up for something dumb like not labelling tubing, I'm gonna write you up for each blood smear on the linens and for each crease in the pad. It's sad that nurses have to be so petty with each other when there are other more important concerns to be address, such as the pt's sepsis. And as for that thread about writing up yourself, that's about the dumbest thing I've ever read. I've never seen a doctor write him/her self up, and they sure as hell do worse things than administer something IV instead of PO, or whatever the hell you people you screwed up on.
3. Nurses need to mandate more education. I'm sorry but this associate degree in nursing is bunk, especially when it's in the ICU. For those of you that think there isn't a difference, look again. I'm a nurse in the ICU with a BSN, and when I compare myself with the associate degree nurses, they don't even begin to compare. I've seen associate degree nurses do nothing about a-fib for hours without telling the doctor. When they give report, they say, "Well the pt's been like this when I received him." Also, I can't tell you how pathetic it is that an associate degree nurse with 2 years of education makes just as much money as an RN with 4 years of nursing. Look at any other sector, and you will see that education is proportionate to pay. Only in nursing does less education equal equivalent pay.
4. Nurses seem to be happy where they are. Our hospital just sent out a survey, and to my surprise, most (about 60%) of the nurses on my unit said they were happy with their pay. That's because they've been there for 10 years and get paid something like 30/hr, which I think is pretty lousy since we're in a world-renown medical center. Other hospitals in my area pay their starting graduates 24/hr. You mean to tell me that for 10 years' worth of work, you're only worth 6 bux/hr more? Southwestern Bell pays their utility people more than nurses, and these utility people don't do crap but lay down phone lines all day. You can't tell me that with all the knowledge that a "real" nurse has that a technician should get more pay.
Nurses need to start demanding more--from themselves and from the public. Unfortunately, I think you people don't understand the business sense of it all, and nursing will always be considered a "doctor's *****" field, where wiping ass and emptying urinals is the main job characteric. Sure it's nice to help others, but you can't help others unless you help yourself first, and if you help yourself first, that makes you happier at your job and that enables you to do your job better. I know a GI doctor who gets paid 420k a year. All he does is mess around with people's ass, but who cares? He's living in a million dollar home, driving a nice care, and takes very damn good care of himself and his family. He's happy at his job, but that's because he knows what he's worth. Maybe once we get more hetersexual males into the field, and get rid of his bull$hit about "helping people" the area of nursing will change. Transportation personnel help people too, but I don't see any of you rushing to transport patients around the hospital all day. I realize I'm a lone voice, so let the flaming begin.
Jun 23, '03I'm sorry, I missed the part where you mention what it is that you are doing to change the things that you find so irritating? (besides bashing your colleagues on a BB)
Its easy to complain and find fault with others especially when you youself admit to sinking low to play the very game that you say you despise!
Jun 23, '03To Nurses are Dumb-
I appreciate that you see that things need to change, and I do agree w/ much of what you've said. But, Jeez!
Why such an attitude and the name?
Jun 23, '03When I was a Navy Hospital Corpsmen I Worked Hard and Got Respect!
When I was an Emergency Medical Technician I Worked Hard and Got Respect!
When I was a Surgical Technician I Worked Hard and Got Respect!
When I was a RN, MS, OCN I worked hard and was magically tranformed into a "Failed Physician Homosexual" and got NO RESPECT!
I am out of nursing now working as a Radiology PACS Engineer and have found RESPECT again.
What's up with that?