Why the nurses get no respect...

Nurses General Nursing

Published

Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Specializes in Oncology, Cardiology, ER, L/D.
Originally posted by gwenith

I am sorry you feel thout our considered and erudite rebuttals of your orignal post were "sarcastic". I answered as I did because I considered your post to be deliberately inflamatory.

I wonder whether you would have the temerity to post on a Bulletin Board dedicated to teachers and tell them that you in essence consider them to be the authors of thier own professional problems because they no longer wear reading glasses and lace - up shoes. Would you go to a bulletin board for police and tell them that the reason they have lost respect is that they are no longer crew cut and worse there are women in thier ranks!! You are on a nursing bulletin board deriding nurses to nurses do not be surprised if we respond to defend our profession and our own professionalism.

Once again though I note you have leveled accusations without giving specifics. Who on this thread has been sarcastic, complained and made negative comments?

As for cleaning pee-pee and poop. Yes I clean patients when they have defecated and urinated but I also maintain thier ventilation, monitor thier vital signs, administer medications and evaluate responses to therapy and interventions and by heaven I also do my fair share of guiding new medical staf in performance of thier duties. It is called providing holistic care.

Provide specific instances of your allegations and we will listen and where possible enlighten you. Make general negative comments and expect the responses you have recieved.

That's it, I am coming to Austrailia and working with you! I am currently a nursing student and I want to learn from one of the best! Please? I'll iron your scrubs and air out your "stinky sneakers":p Go Gwenith!

No respect in our profession?????????, of course there is enough respect, only not allways.

Do we allways!! respect people? .......

Specializes in MICU, neuro, orthotrauma.

interesting read

As a student nurse in a major trauma hospital working in neuroscience, I have run across attitudes about patient care and nursing from nurses that have shocked me. It's true. It is also true that I have run across nurses who have overwhelmed me not only with their knowlege of medicine, but their compassion and empathy.

I choose to focus on those nurses and seek them out. Even if I have seen everything that Dave is talking baout, and I have (although the white uniform thing seems to be a bit of a fetish of his. I'm not knocking his opinion, I just think it comes from some place other than concern for patient care), I have also seen everything that many other nurses here are saying in defense.

And I am so happy that I am almost working as a nurse. And proud.

The lateral violence insight is interesting. I had felt that from some of the nurses, but I was never able to word it properly. Thank you for giving it a name. Makes it easier to wrap my head around the problem.

Specializes in ER.

Dave I agree with everything you said except the white uniforms. Although the one nurse who wears white looks more professional than those who wear colors he/she looks trashy if the uniform is soiled. I remember when we all wore whites, and caps, and it made the hospital look so cold and sterile. A fresh white uniform is wonderful, but if it was a rule the freshness would fade quickly.

Seems counter intuitive that the very hospitals that claim patient care is the best show little respect for nurses.

Here in California a study showed that hospitals where the registered nurses are members of the RN union have the shortest length of stay and lowest complication rate.

Seems counter intuitive that the very hospitals that claim patient care is the best show little respect for nurses.

Well it makes sense. If nurses have more of a say in the matter, then patients will get better care.

Specializes in Step down, ICU, ER, PACU, Amb. Surg.

Want to try a little experiment guys 'n gals? Go to work some shift with a white lab coat on. You will be amazed at the difference in attitudes from patients and families. I have found this to be so telling...

I'm not necessarily saying we should go back to sterile whites, but I do find this phenom verrry interesting. ;)

Specializes in pre hospital, ED, Cath Lab, Case Manager.

Agree that continuing education and experience are an unbeatable combo.

Having started in nursing when we were inspected for hair, nails, slips and cleanliness of our shoes. Wearing starched all white, I get more respect now even though I wear ill fitting wrinkled scrubs. Would I like to wear nice starched stain free scrubs ...you bet. But I have to wear what comes up in the linen cart every day. No matter how much complaining we do, they are what they are. (You know, maybe it's that my figure is more matronly now.....now I get it)

Attitude is everything. I treat the people I work with respect and it is mutual. Patients, physicians, PAs, NPs, Techs, Janitors alike.

Part of my job is mentoring student nurses while they are in my department. I have to say some are absolutely wonderful. They listen, pay attention and ask questions. Some students have told me that they know everything about my department because they worked as an aide on a tele unit or have read the book. OK I won't waste my time with them.

Attitude is everything. I have worked with some real charmers during my career that placed themselves above everyone else for what ever reason. They don't get respect, they don't last very long anywhere no matter what they do. Nursing is a team effort.

Wish you luck..you are going to need it.

I always wear a lab coat . . either white or navy blue. So, I'm not sure about being treated any different. Maybe another difference with rural nursing.

steph

Specializes in cardiac, diabetes, OB/GYN.

Dave, You would get more "respect" because you are a guy....That is inflammatory but true, sadly, often...I command respect with my interest in the patient and my knowledge base....It isn't and shouldn't be mostly about what you wear or any of that kind of thing...People don't respect lawyers or other professions less due to their clothing..Nursing has its own stereotypical stuff going on so I ignore that...I present myself in as professional a manner as possible and do not allow either management or docs to bully me. If there is a discussion or disaggreement and I feel I have not been treated professionally or correctly, that person is going to hear about it and hear from me in a professional manner. Perhaps why I don't experience the "lack of respect" people mention...I simply refuse to accept it and will not tolerate treatment of me that I wouldn't give someone else....

I went back to read Dave's original premise just to refocus on what he actually did say.

I guess I still think he has made some valid points but to be honest, there are people in every profession who don't dress appropriately, don't continue to educate themselves, who mouth off about stuff they know very little about, whine, backbite, "eat their young", etc.

Maybe it is society wide trend. No real work ethic being taught anymore. Cheating is rampant in schools and no one even feels guilty for doing it. Parents rally around kids who cheat. Teachers pass them on to avoid problems. We aren't allowed to be "judgmental" so you can't say you think something might be wrong.

Maybe the problem is us. Maybe we created it. Or allowed it to happen.

I liked mother/babyRN's response . . you have to just NOT ALLOW lack of respect. Not put up the nonsense. Be "judgmental".

steph

+ Add a Comment