Why is it... (nurses constantly throw jabs at physicans) - page 8

Let me preface this by saying I am around nurses, and nursing students more so I don't get to hear the other side but that being said..... Why do nurses constantly feel the need to throw jabs at... Read More

  1. by   leslie :-D
    Quote from katscan
    How one reads a post and interprets it is individual. To me, she was not insulting or presumptious. Naive maybe? Inexperienced? Therefor, I don't say that I answered in a "cut and dry " fashion. People are free to make comments according to their inner responses. Not everyone on this board had your perception. If she did come across as a know it all to some, I honestly don't think this was her intent. After all, who wants to get on a board and be cut down as she has been? To her credit, she did answer almost all of the posts directed to her, both good and bad.
    and it IS individual perceptions, which many shared the same....i'm glad she has you for an advocate. good luck.
  2. by   Q.
    Quote from katscan
    I just read this whole thread and am saddened at the pokes and jabs directed to the original poster when she(I am using she for convenience) was only asking a question /expressing her opinion. From her standpoint, her thoughts are her reality. To make comments to her to "grow up" is unfair. This same kind of attitude was directed to one of our beginning school nurses and she was really discouraged. Some of the older nurses took her remarks as being ignorant and idealistic. They laughed at her and cut her down behind her back. Let face it folks, we ALL make idealistic or ignorant comments at times--No matter what age or degree of experience we have. I tried to support her and encourage her. As I am doing now. Things can be bad in nursing in "the real world" as we know. Who knows, maybe NP2Be will be one of the ones to help promote change.I hope so. Also, I have been a nurse since '73 and am 53 years old, in case anyone wants to challenge my age and/and or experience.
    Excellent post. Some of the posts here that I read made my blood boil; I've seen this type of insecure, elitist behavior before to new grads and students and it's just deplorable. It's behavior like that, and it's behavior like the OP was commenting on, that contributes to poor relationships and thus POOR PATIENT OUTCOMES. There are numerous studies out there documenting the role the nurse-physician relationship - and quite frankly - the nurse-nurse relationship plays on poor patient outcomes and patient safety.

    Frankly, whether or not I agree with the OP is beside the issue. What I always find fascinating are stagnant, crisped out nurses who like to state:
    "Go be a nurse for [insert # of qualifying years here - totally subjective] and THEN see if your attitude is the same" ie: you'll become bitter, old, cranky, rude and unprofessional like me.
    God, I hope not.

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    Last edit by Susy K on Jun 4, '04
  3. by   leslie :-D
    i just reread this thread in its' entirety. except for one blatantly rude poster mixed w/a couple of petty criticisms on typos, i have found the responses to be straighforward and genuine but not cryptic. you're always going to find at least 1 rude post per thread. but when the majority's perceptions are so similiar, there has to be some validity to it. either most of us are incredibly stupid or the original poster of this thread was not articulating what was intended. and it does appear that no matter where you go on this board, or in life, there's always someone who's just so ready to argue, regardless of the debate.
  4. by   FranEMTnurse
    Quote from earle58
    i just reread this thread in its' entirety. except for one blatantly rude poster mixed w/a couple of petty criticisms on typos, i have found the responses to be straighforward and genuine but not cryptic. you're always going to find at least 1 rude post per thread. but when the majority's perceptions are so similiar, there has to be some validity to it. either most of us are incredibly stupid or the original poster of this thread was not articulating what was intended. and it does appear that no matter where you go on this board, or in life, there's always someone who's just so ready to argue, regardless of the debate.
    Ain't that the truth though. Hey leslie, are you gonna visit us on the Friday thread?
  5. by   mattsmom81
    What I always find fascinating are stagnant, crisped out nurses who like to state:"Go be a nurse for [insert # of qualifying years here - totally subjective] and THEN see if your attitude is the same" ie: you'll become bitter, old, cranky, rude and unprofessional like me.
    God, I hope not.[QUOTE]


    Being realistic means we must do what we can amidst chaos which is not caused by us...this is the reality of nursing today. If a nurse is bitter, cranky...well perhaps they are having a bad day/month/year/life...stop personalizing so much is my advice. It's their problem after all; don't take it on.

    Personally I am past the point of needing to compete with others, thank God. I try to stay away (as much as possible) from these types as they are an energy drain. We are ultimately responsibile for our happiness and success...those around us owe us precious little.

    Mature people don't feel such a need to critique and compete; and to me that is what the OP was doing. Thus the responses from real nurses; those who tire of being critiqued particularly by those who haven't walked a mile in our duty shoes.

    It's amazing to ME how judgmental so many new grads are intitially; but how quickly they learn how different 'real world' nursing is and how poorly their school prepared them.

    Good luck to all students and new grads: but remember YOUR attitudes translate to your seasoned coworkers too. A little understanding of our shared human condition goes a long way in nursing, where there are mostly good people trying their best in my experience.
    Last edit by mattsmom81 on Jun 4, '04
  6. by   leslie :-D
    [QUOTE=mattsmom81]What I always find fascinating are stagnant, crisped out nurses who like to state:"Go be a nurse for [insert # of qualifying years here - totally subjective] and THEN see if your attitude is the same" ie: you'll become bitter, old, cranky, rude and unprofessional like me.
    God, I hope not.


    Being realistic means we must do what we can amidst chaos which is not caused by us...this is the reality of nursing today. If a nurse is bitter, cranky...well perhaps they are having a bad day/month/year/life...stop personalizing so much is my advice. It's their problem.

    Personally I am past the point of needing to compete with others, thank God. I try to stay away (as much as possible) from these types as they are an energy drain. We are responsibile for our happiness and success...those around us owe us precious little.

    Mature people don't feel the need to critique and compete; and to me that is what the OP was doing. Thus the responses from real nurses.. who tire of being critiqued particularly by those who haven't walked a mile in our duty shoes.

    It's amazing to ME how judgmental so many new grads intitially; are and how quickly they learn how different 'real world' nursing is and how poorly their school prepared them.

    Good luck to all students and new grads: but remember your attitudes translate to your seasoned coworkers too. A little understanding of our shared human condition goes a long way in nursing.
    clap clap clap applause, applause and big standing ovation.
  7. by   FranEMTnurse
    [QUOTE=mattsmom81]What I always find fascinating are stagnant, crisped out nurses who like to state:"Go be a nurse for [insert # of qualifying years here - totally subjective] and THEN see if your attitude is the same" ie: you'll become bitter, old, cranky, rude and unprofessional like me.
    God, I hope not.


    Being realistic means we must do what we can amidst chaos which is not caused by us...this is the reality of nursing today. If a nurse is bitter, cranky...well perhaps they are having a bad day/month/year/life...stop personalizing so much is my advice. It's their problem after all; don't take it on.

    Personally I am past the point of needing to compete with others, thank God. I try to stay away (as much as possible) from these types as they are an energy drain. We are ultimately responsibile for our happiness and success...those around us owe us precious little.

    Mature people don't feel such a need to critique and compete; and to me that is what the OP was doing. Thus the responses from real nurses; those who tire of being critiqued particularly by those who haven't walked a mile in our duty shoes.

    It's amazing to ME how judgmental so many new grads are intitially; but how quickly they learn how different 'real world' nursing is and how poorly their school prepared them.

    Good luck to all students and new grads: but remember YOUR attitudes translate to your seasoned coworkers too. A little understanding of our shared human condition goes a long way in nursing, where there are mostly good people trying their best in my experience.
    Excellent Post. I agree with you completely.And the old cranks were the ones I was referring to earlier. (The ones who are there only to collect their paychecks. I've met some of them when I was in the hospital. In fact, one of em nearly caused me some serious permanent brain injury by taking on her own to decrease my oxygen flow by a litre each time she entered the room. When I woke up I was incapable of reading writing, or even understanding anything. When my doctor asked me why I didn't tell him I had an episode during the night, I didn't remember I had one. I had just been taken to the acute care floor from the CCU the day earlier. I had been on a ventilator for 3 weeks. It wasn't long after my doc left that my oxygen was turned back up tp 7.5 litres, and I remained on it for the next two weeks.
    Last edit by FranEMTnurse on Jun 4, '04

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