Why Do I Care?

When one new nurse jumps ship after just a few months, it's none of my business. When it becomes a pattern, it hurts everyone: management, the patients, the new grads themselves and (believe it or not) the crusty old bat tasked with precepting them. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Why do I care that new nurses leave our unit after less than two years -- often after less than one year? Why do I care, when they're adults. They're going to have to live with the consequences of being out of work, or having a resume that reflects job hopping or never learning the basics of nursing because they never stay in one place long enough to be able to learn them. Why is it any of my business?

When one new nurse makes an ill-considered decision with consequences that she personally is going to have to live with, it's none of my business. No matter how much I like the new nurse, no matter how much I was looking forward to working with her when she was off orientation, it's really not my business. One of my orientees quit while I was off work with medical leave. Later, we met for lunch and she told me her reasons for leaving. "I know you like me, Ruby. But Mary (her other preceptor) didn't, and I was afraid I was going to get fired." When pressed, she had no reason for believing that Mary didn't like her, or that she was in danger of being fired. She was just anxious, and without me there to smooth the processes for her and alleviate her anxiety about how she was doing, she couldn't hack it. It probably reflects badly upon me that I was her lifeline and I hadn't managed to keep her expectations realistic. I was so disappointed -- but none of my business. My former orientee and I are now casual friends, meeting occasionally for lunch and conversation. I enjoy the relationship, but would have enjoyed it more if we still worked together.

When the majority of our new nurses leave in less than two years, that's a problem that affects all of us. The majority of nurses that come to our unit do so to get ICU experience for their CRNA school applications. We all know it, even if they don't announce it to the world on their first day (as many do.) Others come here because it looks good on their resume, or to get tuition reimbursement for their NP programs or because their SO is in residency here. Within their first month on the unit, most of our new nurses give us an approximate exit date that has nothing to do with our staffing, our patient population, how we are to work with as colleagues or anything else that has anything to do with anything other than their own goals. There may be a cure for that sort of thing, but not at the staff nurse level.

We have a 30 bed ICU, so our staff is large. That means that we are CONSTANTLY orienting new nurses, and because our core staff of seasoned nurses is finite, that means if you've been there for more than two years, you're going to be precepting. Of course that means that people who should NOT be precepting are forced to anyway. People who are lazy or poor teachers or difficult to get along with are foisted upon new grads as their preceptors -- which isn't good for anyone. But even those seasoned nurses who LOVE new staff and LOVE to teach get burned out with constant precepting.

Precepting is difficult. It's so much easier to just go in there and assess that patient yourself rather than teach a new nurse how to do an assessment, discuss her findings and how they differ with yours (if they do) and what potentially that could mean. It easier to give the dang meds yourself than to wait around while someone else laboriously checks them out of Pyxis, looks them up, considers whether they're appropriate to give right now given whatever else is going on, and then gives them or holds them and notifies the provider. If you're doing it right, precepting a new nurse is one of the most difficult challenges you'll ever have as a nurse.

Those of us who remain at the bedside, mostly do it because we love taking care of our patients. Precepting means that we aren't actually doing the work of taking care of our patients. We're teaching someone else to do it, holding their hands, providing feedback that is hopefully in a format they can understand and accept, documenting their progress and having meetings with management and other preceptors to keep tabs on how they're doing. We're not taking care of our patients, which is what we stayed at the bedside to do.

Constant turnover of new nurses means that we rarely get a break from precepting. And when after all of our hard work with a new nurse, that new nurse leaves as soon as she can, that's demoralizing. In some cases, when you've nurtured a new nurse and mentored them and you know they're the perfect fit for our unit, it's heartbreaking.

And then someone calls us mean and nasty, implies that we're just jealous of opportunities we haven't grasped for ourselves or says that the only reason we're against job hopping is because we're old dinosaurs who don't want anyone to have things better than we did. I have the job I wanted -- my dreaaaaaammmmm job. I'm happy with my life, with my job, with my colleagues. I'm exactly where I want to be. But I sure wish a few others would look a little harder, see what a great job this is and what a great place to work and stay awhile!

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.
I have something to add. I quit my job in the CVICU because of workplace bullying made new nurses prone to mistakes which made it "potentially less safe". I have witnessed much bullying with my co-workers but I'll start with my self.

1. Had a nurse call me stupid/retarded in front of my peers

2. Had a nurse yell at me " hurry up at the pyxis" as I wanted to take 3 extra seconds to make sure I was grabbing the right medication for the right patient.

3. One of my preceptors left me alone to take care of a patient actively having a MI with little to no support because " this is the best way to learn". This was 3 weeks into orientation. Ofcourse, she talked about me behind my back when I had a hard time dealing with a sick patient.

I could go on and on, but my point is don't blame new grads. Blame the unit. I'm not saying that you all need to give hugs, kisses and skittles to new grads but obviously what ever you all are doing now is not working.

I'm sorry this happened to you. But, I blame you for not advocating for yourself. If you couldn't tell the nurse who yelled at you to hurry while pulling your meds "I'm sorry but I am going to need some time to make sure my patients are safe", you won't be able to advocate for the patient with the physician.

I am certain you're experienced now. But, a lesson everyone can use is "You're only the victim to bullying if you allow yourself to be". I would have been more than happy to explain to my nurse manager why nurse dee didn't care for me, rather than I am quitting because of Nurse dee.

Orientation for new grads in my unit is six months; more if we feel that the new grad would be a good fit for the unit and just need more time. It's the best orientation program I've seen in 35 years of nursing. We have nurse educators, classes, a simulation lab -- all the support and resources you could think of and some that would not have occurred to me. I don't know what more we as a unit could do to get new grads to stay . . . a contract has to occur above the unit level.

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My previous employer had all of the things you mentioned and more nurses still left. New nurses and seasoned nurses. You can have your sim lab and extra classes. What needs to happen is getting rid of the US versus THEM attitude. I would love to be a fly on a wall at your ICU. I'm willing to bet my whole pay check that it is not the unit or work of the ICU it is the people these nurses have to work with.

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.
Actually, my grandfather is from Long Island.

Oops.

Well, I'll rephrase that, your grandparents can't be from NYC. I have many family members out in Long Island & depending on where you were in the 30s-80s it was much worse than Brooklyn!

I'm sorry this happened to you. But, I blame you for not advocating for yourself. If you couldn't tell the nurse who yelled at you to hurry while pulling your meds "I'm sorry but I am going to need some time to make sure my patients are safe", you won't be able to advocate for the patient with the physician.

I am certain you're experienced now. But, a lesson everyone can use is "You're only the victim to bullying if you allow yourself to be". I would have been more than happy to explain to my nurse manager why nurse dee didn't care for me, rather than I am quitting because of Nurse dee.

Please don't be sorry, because I'm not. That experience really helped me grow. I did defend myself and don't consider myself a victim at all. I just got tired of defending myself against childish behavior every single shift. Since then I've moved on, and I work in a better environment. We have a great retention rate and the morale on this unit is the best I've ever seen.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

Many of you have missed a key point in Ruby's series of posts. You are wrongly assuming that people are leaving her unit because of poor orientation, poor morale, bullying, etc. Her point is that an increasing percentage of new nurses have no intention of staying longer than a year or two no matter how wonderfully they are treated. A morale committee, etc. cannot solve that problem.

As someone who works with a lot of senior level nursing students and with hospital orientations ... I am seeing the same phenomena. The career plans of many new nurses involves "1 year at this first job ... then move on." That is causing a huge problem for the best hospitals/units who try to provide the support needed by new nurses. We don't have the resources to keep providing that much support to a constant flow of new folks. And that causes hardship to all involved and compromises the quality of patient care along with compromising the quality of the work experience.

That is why you see hospitals not hiring as many new grads as they used to. Is that what we want? Another possible solution is also being tried -- internships that pay extremely low rates to new grads until they are off orientation and pulling more of their own weight. Is that the solution we want to see? We need to discuss these things because they are the types of solutions that administrators have at their proposal. Higher pay, better schedules, easier work loads, will not solve this problem -- because. as Ruby is saying, those are not the reasons many people are leaving! (Sure, there are some terrible places to work and some people leave because of bullying, etc. ... but those are not the people we are talking about!)

What hospitals are hiring new grads? I graduated in 2008 and have not been able to get a job in a hospital?....I'm desperate...

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Thank you, llg. I was beginning to think I was reading posts other people couldn't see.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
Please -- if you have something to add about the subject of new nurses jumping ship immediately and how patient care is made potentially less safe, contribute it. I'd love to read it.

I wouldn't know. I'm not precepting a constant stream of new grads.

llg, your point is well taken. I too didn't take this as being a unit culture thing. I think Ruby has said before that her facility is well-known and attached to a major medical university. In my opinion, the resume boost that the ICU at her facility provides draws "stepping stone" nurses seeking to further their education. That is not something that can be changed, however, McLennan's post offers some concrete ways that the revolving door can be stopped. Hiring and interviewing practices need to be changed, and contracts need to be required. If the facility is such a high-profile, resume-boosting place to work (as I think it is), the contracts would not be a hindrance to recruiting good new grads. It might even make it more "exclusive" in that less openings would be available as people stay on to finish their contracts.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

One thing I have read recently (and I am not in a position to hire, fire, or anything like that) is: "hire for attitude, train for skill."

What I like about that is, as many of those responding here have brought out, is it brings out that if your intention is to leave in a year, or two years, why work in a place with such a long learning curve as ICU? A new hire should mesh with the culture where he or she is hired. Certainly, some people will leave after a short time due to other factors. By and large, however, people should be hired to fit into the unit.

Ironically, there was an article on AN not too long ago that pretty much was disdainful of "hire for attitude, train for skill." I'll see if I can find it.

ETA: I found it, but I don't know how to link the article to here. It's written by The Commuter, and it's called "Hard and Soft Skills." After re-reading it, I determined that my characterization of it as "disdainful" was colored by my impressions from The Commuter's other posts. In and of itself, it's not disdainful of the new approach to hiring.

Thanks, llg. I was thinking the same thing. My take is that people coming in and only staying a year is a trend that is not going to change, and is most likely going to increase.

Honestly, I have changed jobs twice in the past 6 months and it had nothing to do with the unit I was on and everything to do with outside events not related to my job. Try explaining that to a recruiter!

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

This ICU of Ruby's sounds way to intense for new grads. I was lucky enough to orient on a busy med-surg unit before ICUs fully bloomed. Every nurse who worked on that unit wanted to be a mentor to a new grad who ALL went through these precepted med-surg units before going to specialty units. In exchange for the high patient acuity (some on vents- no running water in 4 bed rooms)it felt better staffed because there were always orientees available who didn't count as staff members. Some of the floor RN's were working on MSN's (this was during the 70's) and WANTED to work with new grads. All this and I only stayed a year. It was two subways and a substantial walk. I left for a place four blocks from my apartment. Feeling very bad now 41 years later:(

Specializes in ICU.

(1) I stopped feeling a sense of commitment and loyalty to my employer when the defined benefit pension plan was eliminated.

There really is no incentive to stay in a position for the long haul anymore.

(2) I am tired of training graduate nurses who come in clueless and then act like the king of Siam after a year. I am tired of teaching what should be part of a basic nursing education and critical care nursing skills in six months or less.

(3) I deserve to be well compensated for having to monitor and try to educate a novice nurse in addition to a full assignment.

(4) I will no longer invest my effort and knowledge in a trainee who is too lazy to look up a med or procedure. I am so over it.

(5) Frankly, all I care about is my patients' outcomes and not getting my ass sued.