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Hey everyone I am starting nursing school in two weeks, and I was wondering if they do drug tests before or during the courses. On occasion, some of my friends and I may smoke up for a bit. ... Read More
Aug 15, '03Well said, steph.
There are plenty of articles about local people and their "weeded" behavior.
We got a copy of the statistics for this area last December at school. Forgot the numbers exactly but we had a lengthy discussion about how the weed-related incidents outranked the booze-induced ones in this area. But we will get another list this year and i'll post it later.
Aug 15, '03Steph---I wasn't berating DMR1 for making a healthy choice, I was questioning whether or not this person was actually going to stop for good because I've heard (and used) that tone before---"oh yeah, gonna quit, it's all good"---and it didn't last. It's like anything else, if you don't stop doing something harmful for the right reasons, namely "I don't want to do this anymore because it's getting in my way", you'll probably go back to it. That was the feeling I was getting from this particular individual, and that's what I responded to.
I'm sorry about your ex. My own DH had a problem with pot a number of years ago himself, but he was never violent or abusive---he was just unmotivated. I myself have a drinking problem, now have been in recovery for over 11 1/2 years, and of the two of us I am by far the bigger "addict", even though I drank only a few times a month. I WAS nasty and verbally abusive, I did neglect the kids, I was irresponsible and selfish. But when I finally gave up the booze, I gave it up for good. I will NEVER drink again, no matter how hard it is sometimes to stay sober even now. That's the kind of commitment I'm talking about, and I didn't feel that coming from DMR1. Sorry.
Aug 15, '03Originally posted by stevielynn
"I personally have smoked marijuana, enjoyed it, and was never addicted to it as I was to ETOH. I also don't believe it is anywhere near as dangerous as booze---when was the last time you heard of a pot smoker who assaulted someone, killed their spouse, or just generally turned into an a$$hole because of their habit?" quote by mjlrn97
Hiya -steph here . . . meet exhibit A . . my ex-husband.
He chose marijuana over me and his two boys. He was violent at times. He had a car accident under the influence of pot and ended up in jail on the day my eldest son, then 2 years old, broke his leg.
Just because statistically alcohol seems more dangerous than pot (that may be due to the amount of people who drink (alot) vs the amount who smoke (not as much) . . . doesn't mean it isn't dangerous at all. There is danger to having your coordination and judgment effected by smoking pot and then driving.
There is nothing "puritan" about caring about whether people choose muddling their mind over getting an education. Or choosing pot over your kids.
1 capitalized : a member of a 16th and 17th century Protestant group in England and New England opposing as unscriptural the ceremonial worship and the prelacy of the Church of England
2 : one who practices or preaches a more rigorous or professedly purer moral code than that which prevails
Chosing not to use pot is a healthy choice. Why in the world berate someone for making a healthy choice?
Steph, I am certainly no advocate for illegal drug use. However, some of the attitudes expressed here do seem puritanical to me i.e. if you want to be a nurse, you must never, ever, never do anything bad from now on and that nurses are "brave and thick-skinned" and are held to a higher standard, etc. I would hate to be a nurse with a substance abuse program seeking understanding and support from some of my colleagues and getting these types of attitudes in return.
Aug 15, '03My comment about being berated was directed at the post from Sharon to all the "puritanical" nurses . . .not at anyone's post to the original poster.
I don't think the advice here about not using marijuana means any of us would be unsympathetic to a fellow nurse who has an addiction problem.
One does not equal the other.
I'm admittedly biased here . . . . so I'll bow out.
I do want to say to DMR1 . . . . . good for you for making a healthy choice. And thanks for answering my question.
Aug 16, '03My favourite magazine has some sage words of wisdom to quote:
Only one thing is certain about the great marijuana debate: whether you are a prohibition-mad politician, or a stoned ex-hippy who would like to dish out the drug for free, you are likely to have a lot more opinions than facts.
Here is the link to the full article
Aug 16, '03Originally posted by Rustyhammer
One time a employer told me they were going to test me for drugs and I told them, "I smoke pot!" They waived the test and hired me anyway.
Once an employer sent out a memo with checks stating that signing this memo would give the administration the right to drug test employees at anytime and also the right to search their cars in the parking lot. I refused to sign stating I felt this was illegal as it was not a condition of my hire.
If they are willing to waive the rules of hire, will they waive the rules to support you when you decide to thumb your nose at the policy and procedures in place for, say, medication administration? You can now trust their integrity because they will hire an admitted drug user against their own policy?
Aug 16, '03I'd really like to get my 2 pence in! To all you moralists who preach about pot being so bad: Have you ever drank alcohol? Every gone to work with a hangover? Do you smoke cigarettes? If you do/have, then I really think you need to get off your moral high horse. Alcohol is far worse than a bit of pot now and again. Scientists have tried for years to discover the bad side-effects of dope. They have found one or two and are found in people who smoke several times a day. In the occasional user, THERE ARE NO PROVEN PERMANENT SIDE-EFFECTS! Also, a friend of mine (a nurse) has MS. She finds smoking pot helps control her symptoms. It's also proven to ease cancer sufferers. But we'd rather give them heroin instead to ease the pain.
I actually don't like mary-j that much, but live and let live. If it doesn't affect your work, what's the beef? I actually think blanket forced drug and alcohol testing is a violation of human rights.
Anyway, that wasn't the question. In the UK, I don't know of any nursing school/university that randomly drug-tests people. I think there would be a massive outcry. If you are unsure, I would stay well clear of the stuff. After all, whether you believe in decriminalisation or not, it's arbritry if they test you.
Aug 16, '03DMRI...What is more important to you...nursing school or pot? If you can answer that question, then you do not need our help. I can tell you right now...you WILL have a drug test before you start school and before you work in a hospital. If I were you I would cease and desist, starting NOW.
Aug 16, '03When you are taking care of human lives, how is drug and alchohol use nobody's business? I don't think pot is any worse than alchohol either, however the law is the law and she wants to pass her drug test and get into school, I suggest she not smoke pot. Not for nothing...if my nurse smoked a bone before coming to work....I wouldn't want her taking care of me!!!
Friends Don't Let Friends Nurse Stoned.(Or drunk)Last edit by NurseJacqui on Aug 16, '03
Aug 16, '03Lets see, it would be better to have a surgeon who smoked pot before CUTTING ME OPEN then a surgeon with a hangover? These are my options???? How about a surgeon who is SOBER????!!!
Aug 16, '03I personally don't think smoking pot every now and then is any worse than having a drink occasionally, although I am not a pot smoker. But I have to disagree somewhat that there are no lasting side effects of pot smoking. I can see a pot-head coming a mile away!
I would also like to add that use of any substance that negatively affects your life (i.e. getting kicked out of school, losing your job, etc.)and you continue to take it, could mean that there could potentially be a substance abuse problem. It doesn't matter how often you imbibe so much as the consequences of your doing it. Quality over quantity, so to speak. Some people can handle smoking/drinking, etc. and have no problem navigating their life decisions, but there are also those who can't.
To the OP: if you have to ask others for advice on how to work around this pot thing, then maybe you shouldn't even consider doing it at all. I don't say this to make judgment on you, or because I don't think you would make a good nurse. I say this because it might be a red flag for you if you can't readily tell yourself not to do it because it has potential to ruin your career plans. It's not so much a moral decision as a common sense approach to what you want out of your life, and what you will have to do to get it. And if not smoking pot a few times a year will help you to get what you want out of life, then what's the big deal with not doing it?
Aug 16, '03Leaving morality out of the question, I think if you really consider it, you already answered your own original question here.
Don't do it. It is obviously the wrong decision in your case.
I won't get into how I feel about pot and legality------I just think if doing such things causes one so much trepidation and worry, it ought not be done.
Aug 16, '03My nursing school did not drug test.
Most employers do.
Here in Florida regardless of how we personally feel about it, it is against the Nurse Practice Act. If an employer finds mj in your system during a drug test, they are required by the NPA to report it. You are then put into the Intervention Project For Nurses and required to undergo counseling, etc. and your license is on the line.
Check your nurse practice act or the Canadian equivalent. If it's against the nurse practice act, regardless of how you feel about it, you stop. If you can't stop you have a problem and have no business being a nurse.
For me, I want to be a nurse so I follow the guidelines of the NPA, even if I disagree, it's the law.