Online Nursing Schools vs Traditional Schools

[brandy1017, ASN, RN]

I don't think all schools will turn you down. You just have to be persistent and not give up. Sure there may be a stigma with certain online schools esp for profit because the for profit industry itself has a black eye with some of their recruitment tactics even lies in order to sell the school to students and make profit off the student loans. That doesn't mean your program was bad, but for profit's are seen in a bad light for legitimate reasons. I've read exposes where they outright lie to students and even have told people with criminal records they could get a job in law enforcement and that is not the case! They tend to be very aggressive in sales tactics and whistle blowers have said they were trained to hit their tender points, what bothered them what they felt weak about and less then in order to persuade them to go to school and it would somehow solve their problems.

Universities also see online programs as competitors which they are and they like to have the monopoly on higher education. But if you live in an urban area you may have as many as a dozen colleges and universities to apply to. We had a coworker that got her MSN in education thru Phoenix University and was promoted to educator by her Director. She was very knowledgeable and a great teacher,but she lost her job when her director either was let go or resigned over politics. She was swept out on a technicality and replaced with a much younger "barbie doll" who looked like a TV star on Parenthood! She quickly was promoted to management and has since moved on to who knows where. The laid off educator did have problems getting a job it took her over six months, but I think part of it was age discrimination she was in her 50's, appearance as she was morbidly obese and also had a lot of serious health problems. Eventually she did turn things around and was hired at the state university and was a great teacher that her students loved.

So she did enjoy her new job and even came back to the hospital for clinicals and we talked. The problem with teaching jobs is most are non tenure and you aren't even paid a minimum wage, you are paid by the class. So you end up juggling multiple teaching assignments to try to pay the bills. Luckily for her she had been good with her money and had paid off her house already. Also there was a teachers union, so at least she received health insurance. Many non tenured adjuncts do not even get health insurance or are on medicaid and many are so poor they qualify for food stamps. The few tenured professors are in a secure job, but universities now use adjuncts up to 85% of the staff as it is very profitable for them and I don't see this changing. This is a universal problem in college teaching. I remember the science professor that went on a rampage and killed several colleagues in AL a few years back when she was denied tenure and she had a Harvard degree. It doesn't matter where you got the degree from it is more a changing structure of the job market itself.

Given this reality, many nursing instructors keep their hospital jobs to pay the bills, have benefits and stay in the loop. Another thought would be if you could get an educator job at a hospital esp one that has a new RN residency program. That might be just the ticket given your enthusiasm for students and teaching! You just have to start using your network of fellow staff to either find such a job or even propose such a job to a hospital that doesn't have a residency program. Linked in is commonly used to find a job and network. I wish you good luck and success!

[brandy1017, ASN, RN]

If things don't work out as an educator you could also consider going back to school and getting your FNP. That could lead you in another direction. I read laid off educators during hospital downsizing did just that. An FNP is a good job, but competitive depending where you live and may require relocating. Regardless on which path you choose, sometimes it takes thinking outside of the box to secure a job. Such as sending out persuasive letter to the hiring manager to give you a job or even create a job for you. I know a lot of the nurses that became FNP's by me were hired by fellow Dr's that knew them and there work. Not all job openings are advertised these days. It is about your network and who you know to open doors.

[canwil2082]

My opportunities are limitless. I have a plan A, B, and C. :) It is just an unfortunate situation for some who have worked hard only to be told your still not good enough. Thankfully my ADN program hired me as an adjunct clinical instructor. This position only confirms my passion for nursing and education. Once again, I understand that not all traditional institutions may have this type of narrow thinking.

[elkpark]

"The hopes of this letter is to educate the nursing profession about the sad reality of bullying in a center for education."

IMO, it's not "bullying" for a school to have a particular standard about what it finds acceptable credentials and qualifications for faculty members. It is the right of the school (or any other employer) to set whatever standards it considers necessary for employment, as long as it treats everyone equally and isn't violating state or federal employment law.

[canwil2082]

Everyone has an opinion and I respect yours. The age old phrase "don't judge a book by it's cover" seems to not be that important when it comes to these "acceptable credentials and qualifications". How can an institution say just because you have an accredited degree from a online institution, we do not want you. In addition, bullying has several definitions according to the Pacer's National Bullying Prevention Center: National Bullying Prevention Center - Bullying Info and Facts

A couple of these:

[*=1]There is also a real or perceived imbalance of power,” which is described as when the student [person] with the bullying behavior has more power,” either physically, socially, or emotionally, such as a higher social status, or is physically larger or emotionally intimidating.
[*=1]Students [People] often describe bullying as when someone makes you feel less about who you are as a person."

Once again, I understand that not all institutions are this way. There are teachers that all they do is read from the PowerPoint in class and they are considered acceptable because their degree is from a traditional brick and mortar university. My passion is strictly for the students and helping them facilitate the learning process so that they may have the greatest chance of success. I may not know everything there is about nursing, but I want to change how students learn in and out of the classroom.

Furthermore, I accepted the position at the community college as an adjunct clinical instructor and was told by a faculty member of the four year university, "community colleges do not care what kind of degree you have." Does this mean that community colleges only have sub-par educational standards?

[Emergent, RN]

I think it's a stretch to say not being hired is bullying. It was your responsibility in the first place to find out the requirements of the job you were seeking. The fact that they demand a traditional degree may seem unfair, but in order to bully you they need to actually hire you and then treat you badly.

Just because you have a "passion strictly for students" doesn't mean you are bullied if you aren't hired to teach. I see no logic in your conclusion. You should have investigated more thoroughly before obtaining your degree.

[canwil2082]

I take full responsibility for my actions. I am now seeking a terminal degree from a traditional brick and mortar university in my state. I hope that other people see this and do not make the same mistake that I did. My degree is great for other employers but it is not for teaching at a traditional university.

[JustBeachyNurse, LPN]

You wouldn't get hired by the BSN programs in my state mostly because you are not doctoral prepared, MSN in nurse education is sufficient for ASN programs but not for BSN or graduate nursing programs. It's not bullying it's BoN and DHE requirements. My sister is a BSN professor now. She knew where she wanted to go in her career and ensured she had the correct educational credentials.

If you don't meet the employer's minimal requirements I fail to see how that is bullying.

[roser13, ASN, RN]

I really dislike the title of this thread. This is casting a large shadow over an entire industry (online education) from one person's experience. One experience does not a "truth" make.

Oh well, I guess that's the point of online forums. Everyone gives their own experience.

[xoemmylouox, ASN, RN]

I think these posts are important. Learning from life experience is important. For some this might have them consider other options when they are pursuing their higher education. We can do all of the research in the world, feel confident in our choice, and yet find out it still isn't good enough. I hope that things do work out for the OP. Life can seem so unfair sometimes. I don't think that this qualifies as bullying, but I do think they are shutting the OP out to discourage the online school route. It is their loss.

[Farawyn]

After my brick and mortar education(s) I am now doing an online SUNY RN-BSN bridge program. I chose this program not only because it is SUNY, but also because it has clinicals. I don't ever want to be questioned on my route to a BSN. I don't think anyone should be, as long as the program is accredited.