Strange Nursing Student - page 3
I previously posted this in the Men and Nursing forum, but was told it was in the wrong place. So I'll try again. I am a nurse at a large medical center in Raleigh-Durham, NC. Every Thursday and... Read More
Nov 13, '05I wonder what made this guy choose nursing ? very strange indeed. it does seem like he has some type of autism or just might be downright weird.
I'm not a nurse yet, but I would be careful if you do press the issue. you never know if this guy is harmelss or not. He might totally go off, you never know.
When I was in my counseling program i had a professor who implied that counseling was not for me. To make a long story short, it wasn't. It was boring and I didn't feel like I was helping anyone. Had I figured that out before i wouldn't have wasted 2 yrs and $$ on a masters degree, SO if he figures out that 'nursing' is not for him, it may be a blessing for him and he can move on. It sounds like he is very early in his program so he still may not make it to the actual employment world. Very strange, be careful , and keep us informed !
Nov 13, '05I hope you don't feel overly flamed for my response to your similar post on another thread. You were quite a bit more desciptive, here, and I can imagine I would be pretty concerned, as well. In the previous context, I thought you might mean to imply that men in general tend to be emotionally distant or otherwise unsuited to be nurses, but I apologize for reading more into your statement than you apparently intended.
I think anyone who cares about our profession must recognize the need to police ourselves. If we "mind our own business" to the point of overlooking unsafe or unethical behaviors, we do a disservice to nursing and to our patients. I think you were quite right to bring your concerns to the attention of your instructor.
At the same time, there is a risk in being overly concerned with another's fitness to be a nurse. I would argue that merely finding someone "strange" is not, in itself, a basis to question their practice. I have a casual acquaintance I worked with for a time who was, by many people's standards, a bit odd. He was, and is, rather reserved and quiet. A nurse I work with described him as having a "flat affect," and while I couldn't disagree with her, I would also add that he was very bright, hard-working, scrupulously honest, and generally a decent guy. His was not what I would call an ideal personality for a bedside nurse, but since graduating he has been very successful in an ICU setting. He may not be the most personable nurse around, but his technical skills are excellent and I can't imagine anyone faulting his work ethic or dedication. When I last spoke to him, he was planning to go on to become a CRNA, and I don't doubt his ability to do so. I think it would have been a shame for nursing to lose this person, simply because he wasn't the most charming conversationalist.
But the situation you describe is clearly different. Neglecting a patient is a very serious shortcoming. Like others, I'm surprised your instructors haven't taken more direct action. I don't feel able to advise whether you should take your concerns to a higher authority, but I would recommend discretion. It may be that corrective actions are in progress that you aren't aware of. In any case, it sounds like you have discharged your duty by reporting your concerns to the proper authority. It would, of course, be comforting to know what is being done about it, but in most cases it would be inappropriate for your instructor to share that information with you.
Nov 13, '05Quote from FirstYear2005I should have mentioned this before. One day I did ask him why he chose to go into nursing. His response ... "because when I was majoring in chemistry the classes were too hard." Nothing about wanting to help people, or any of the typical reasons we usually hear.I wonder what made this guy choose nursing ? very strange indeed. it does seem like he has some type of autism or just might be downright weird.
The person who mentioned "flat affect," that is exactly what I was trying to get across when describing this guy. That description fits him to a T. I just didn't think of those words earlier!
Nov 13, '05He sounds to me like he has Asperger's Syndrome...a condition my twin brother has. They have alot of autistic like symptoms. My brother used to have terrible social skills, and in school was just tormented by the kids for being different. He comes across when you first meet him as odd or strange, but now that we are both older, he really seems to have gotten much better. But he cannot hold down any more than a menial job, God love him. He can be absolutely brilliant in some areas, but social skills and gestures are lacking.
When we graduated from high school, he was "forced" to go into teaching by my mother, and he somehow made it through, but was quickly terminated after he graduated when he worked as a substitute. He had no business being a teacher, bless his heart. He never worked as a teacher again. He's perfectly happy doing his data entry position, and I am proud that he is able to work and live independently as he has done so for the past several years. But he really could never do anything like nursing or teaching.
Quote from NurseKitty NCI should have mentioned this before. One day I did ask him why he chose to go into nursing. His response ... "because when I was majoring in chemistry the classes were too hard." Nothing about wanting to help people, or any of the typical reasons we usually hear.
The person who mentioned "flat affect," that is exactly what I was trying to get across when describing this guy. That description fits him to a T. I just didn't think of those words earlier!Last edit by DidiRN on Nov 21, '05
Nov 13, '05Quote from TweetiePieRNTweetiePie,Just a thought...was that nursing student exclusively home schooled as a kid? Honestly, I have never met a home-schooled student who was ever socially "normal". Not to say that they are not out in there and existing. I just personally have not met one.
Judging by your comment, you don't know many homeschoolers. As a homeschool graduate who is now a nursing student, I find your post insulting and unsubstantiated. Not only am I enjoying nursing school, but I socialize with fellow classmates and have made some good friends. I excel in the classroom by not only getting good grades, but also by interacting with my professors. Overall, I'm a pretty normal kid. I've met some other homeschool grads in nursing school and they are very outgoing socially, friendly, and just friends to have.Last edit by ChristineN on Nov 13, '05
Nov 13, '05I was homeschooled, too, and I am often complimented by patients and their families on my bedside manner. I am reasonably comfortable in social situations. I do know a few homeschoolers who are socially awkward, though. I don't really think they're the majority and I do agree that you were overgeneralizing, TweetiePie.
I also think it sounds like this boy has asperger's. I am SHOCKED that his instructors haven't intervened earlier. I would have laid the SMACK DOWN over the bath issue! As a nurse on the floor I think all you can do is voice your concerns to the instructor. If the instructor is not appropriate you can voice your concerns about HER to the Director of Nursing at the school. Maybe, like others have suggested, he will do well in a research position (she says skeptically...)
Nov 13, '05Totally inappropriate. I would have failed clinicals if I had left any patient in urine.
People get written warnings for this in the real job world.
If I managed that unit, and this happened, I would actually bypass the instructor and go straight to the coordinator for clinicals. And, if improvement didn't show up really really fast, I'd just reuse to let the units patients be put at risk.
The student is working under the instructors license, the instructor surely should be supervising more carefully, as any issue he has can be a mark on her license, not his.
I'm sorry if her has some sort of mental handicap, but he is clearly not treating patients appropriately. :angryfire
Nov 13, '05Quote from NurseKitty NCI think you did the right thing to discuss your concerns with his nursing instructor. It is the instructor's responsibility to see that the student behaves appropriately. You did just fine, you reported it and now should just let it go. It is the instructors problem, do not make it yours any longer. Approaching him directly may only cause much bigger problems for you if he is strange and cold.Anyway, sorry for the rant here ... my question for the board is, what do y'all think of this situation? Am I overreacting? Or is there cause for my concern?Thanks for your time.
I do think several posters on here are cofusing me/you as I posted a thread about a strange graduate nurse. Boy oh boy did I get roasted for supposedly picking on the strange graduate nurse. I only asked for an opinion. I hope you have a better response.Last edit by DutchgirlRN on Nov 13, '05
Nov 13, '05Quote from NoelChristineHere is a portion of my post that you are referring to...."Honestly, I have never met a home-schooled student who was ever socially "normal". Not to say that they are not out in there and existing. I just personally have not met one."TweetiePie,
Judging by your comment, you don't know many homeschoolers. As a homeschool graduate who is now a nursing student, I find your post insulting and unsubstantiated. Not only am I enjoying nursing school, but I socialize with fellow classmates and have made some good friends. I excel in the classroom by not only getting good grades, but also by interacting with my professors. Overall, I'm a pretty normal kid. I've met some other homeschool grads in nursing school and they are very outgoing socially, friendly, and just friends to have.
Maybe you should reread that post, but not read too deep into it.
FYI. I have known lots! 4 of my cousins from Nevada are/were home schooled (They are from 2 families). Years ago, I babysat for a family whose 2 children were homeschooled. I had neighbors down the street growing up who were homeschooled k-12. I went to elementary with a large number of home schooled children because (I cannot remember the actual reason behind this) a large influx of homeschooled children ended up in our class. No, none of them were related. Then this happened again in high school...a large influx of home schooled children starting attending. Then when I was taking some classes in college (before nursing school) a couple of our study partners had been home-schooled up until 12th grade.
So, as you can plainly see, I know LOTS of them! I also stated that just because I haven't met a socially "normal" homeschooler doesn't mean they are not out there. I wrote that in plain English and it's unfortunate you either did not see that or just chose to ignore it. I am not going to apologize for offending you...if you would have read the post in its entirety, then you would have understood where I was coming from.
It seems no matter how something is written, there is always someone claiming to be offended
Nov 13, '05How was it known that the pt. was allowed to lay in urine for 7h? If others knew about it, why didn't someone intervene?
ADA requires reasonable accommodation. I think people forget about the reasonable part and think it means they need to accommodate everything. Not true. If this guy is truly behaving as described, he's a danger to pts. and staff. It doesn't matter if he'd be great in a research position; for now he has to deal with pts. and staff, and if he can't do that successfully, he doesn't deserve the privilege of being a nurse. He has the right to a fair shake at it, but he doesn't have the right to be one. And let's face it, entry-level positions for nurses in research are hard to come by as it is, and nearly impossible to get as a new grad.
Nov 13, '05Quote from MarySunshineI was not overgeneralizing...I was stating what I have seen with my own eyes. I guess I just haven't been fortunate enough to meet any homeschooled people like yourself.I don't really think they're the majority and I do agree that you were overgeneralizing, TweetiePie.
Nov 13, '05Quote from TweetiePieRNHow true !It seems no matter how something is written, there is always someone claiming to be offended